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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 20, 2015 20:34:16 GMT -5
Jim Lee is a guy I've never understood the love for. He's OK, but very pedestrian... he makes me about as excited as guys like Ron Frenz and Al Milgrom (who I like alot more than Scott and a few others)... they don't make me buy a book, but I feel confident I won't DISLIKE it.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jul 20, 2015 20:54:23 GMT -5
Jim Lee is a guy I've never understood the love for. He's OK, but very pedestrian... he makes me about as excited as guys like Ron Frenz and Al Milgrom (who I like alot more than Scott and a few others)... they don't make me buy a book, but I feel confident I won't DISLIKE it. I get it - sexxxy, inhumanly proportioned girls + good action scenes - but I don't see why he's been so popular for so long. It's been like 25 years and he's never lost his fan-base! I can't think of any other artist that's been this consistently popular.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jul 20, 2015 21:09:12 GMT -5
I do like Jim Lee's art. I think Hush is still his best work to date. When he's just going through the motions, his figures can get quite stiff. His most glaring weakness is his inability to draw a range of facial expressions.
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Post by Randle-El on Jul 20, 2015 22:37:28 GMT -5
I grew up on McFarlane's Spidey, so I will always have a soft spot for him, even if looking at his artwork as an adult I see things that make it less appealing to me than when I was 13. I'm not a big fan of how he draws faces (he's much better drawing masked characters, which explains Spawn), and like some of the other Image founders he can go way overboard with hatching and other unnecessary lines. He basically gave MJ a porn star look. But I loved (and still love) all the things he is known for when he drew Spidey -- the contortionist poses, the huge eyes, and the crazy webbing.
My feelings towards Jim Lee are pretty similar -- enjoying him for the things he does well while recognizing his limitations. I do think he draws a great Batman, and I agree with Trebor that Hush is the best thing he's done so far. He's also showed a willingness to experiment with different techniques, like the watercolored pages from Hush, or painting in general that he's done in other works. To be honest though, I think perhaps more than Jim Lee himself, it's the combination of Jim Lee plus Scott Williams that I appreciate. Lee inked by Williams vs Lee inked by Lee are miles apart, even though Lee draws fairly tight pencils. I should also mention that part of Jim Lee's appeal for me is a personal connection I have. Not that I know him or anything like that -- it's more his background and upbringing, and in particular some of the things he's mentioned about his parents when he gives interviews echoes a lot of the experiences I had growing up.
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Post by fanboystranger on Jul 20, 2015 23:24:41 GMT -5
And the guy is arguably the best writer of war comics ever. The only other people in contention are Harvey Kurtzman, Pat Mills and Archie Goodwin. I'd add Jacques Tardi. (Unless you have a separate writer/artist category.)
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Post by fanboystranger on Jul 20, 2015 23:32:19 GMT -5
Jim Lee is a guy I've never understood the love for. He's OK, but very pedestrian... he makes me about as excited as guys like Ron Frenz and Al Milgrom (who I like alot more than Scott and a few others)... they don't make me buy a book, but I feel confident I won't DISLIKE it. I've never been a fan of Lee's work, but I do think he has a remarkable gift for what I like to call the "WOW! Panel". I find him competent as a sequential storytelling, althougha bit lifeless as far as the dynamics of his work, but every now and then, he produces a singular image that really makes me say, "Wow!" It's definitely a gift he has, but it doesn't translate well to an overall story.
There was a time when it seemed like his art might evolve into something more interesting. He did a pin-up page for 100 Bullets 50 and a short story with Garth Ennis for Vertigo's Weird War Tales that had a real European feel, and it was probably the best work I'd seen from him. Of course, he followed it up with Hush and laughed his way to the bank...
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Post by fanboystranger on Jul 20, 2015 23:36:31 GMT -5
I should also mention that part of Jim Lee's appeal for me is a personal connection I have. Not that I know him or anything like that -- it's more his background and upbringing, and in particular some of the things he's mentioned about his parents when he gives interviews echoes a lot of the experiences I had growing up. Jim has a reputation for being one of the best guys in the industry. I don't like his work, but everything I've heard about him makes me admire his attitude. (Greg Capullo is another guy whose work I don't like, but think is a great person, which makes me wish I liked his work more.)
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Post by Randle-El on Jul 21, 2015 0:19:30 GMT -5
Jim Lee is a guy I've never understood the love for. He's OK, but very pedestrian... he makes me about as excited as guys like Ron Frenz and Al Milgrom (who I like alot more than Scott and a few others)... they don't make me buy a book, but I feel confident I won't DISLIKE it. I've never been a fan of Lee's work, but I do think he has a remarkable gift for what I like to call the "WOW! Panel". I find him competent as a sequential storytelling, althougha bit lifeless as far as the dynamics of his work, but every now and then, he produces a singular image that really makes me say, "Wow!" It's definitely a gift he has, but it doesn't translate well to an overall story.
This is probably one of the things I had in mind when I talked about enjoying what he does while recognizing limitations. I think he's great at things like big splash pages, two-page spreads, or pin-ups, and you can sort of tell that that's what he likes to spend his time on. He is, as you say, merely competent as a storyteller. As far as Capullo, I got to talk to him last year at Baltimore Comic Con, and I gave him props for putting out issues of Batman for nearly three years running without being late, and I think he only skipped maybe 1 or 2 books during that time. His wife, who was with him, gave me sort of a rueful look and said that it's because he basically works all the time. Whatever one's opinion may be about his artwork, the man definitely seems to have strong work ethic.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jul 21, 2015 3:59:18 GMT -5
The double-edged sword of being a real professional comic artist and having a family. I know that some artist that are timely that I've read about, in terms of their process, typically work standard 8 hour days; basically, they treat it like a JOB. If this is the case with Capullo, this would make his wife a tad unreasonable in my eyes. That is if this is what she means by "works all the time."
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Post by Confessor on Jul 21, 2015 5:34:42 GMT -5
Civil War I don't get how anyone can approve of it. I find people in the 18-25 range generally like it and everything about it just bothers me. I have to say that I like it a lot and it often puzzles me how vocal some folks online are in their disapproval of the storyline. Mind you, the negativity around the "Sins Past" storyline in Amazing Spider-Man also mystifies me as well, so what do I know? I thought that was an excellent story too.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 21, 2015 5:48:40 GMT -5
Civil War I don't get how anyone can approve of it. I find people in the 18-25 range generally like it and everything about it just bothers me. I have to say that I like it a lot and it often puzzles me how vocal some folks online are in their disapproval of the storyline. Mind you, the negativity around the "Sins Past" storyline in Amazing Spider-Man also mystifies me as well, so what do I know? I thought that was an excellent story too. Just wait until a shocking reveal tells us that Princess Leia had Darth Vader's child in between Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back!
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jul 21, 2015 7:02:39 GMT -5
I have to say that I like it a lot and it often puzzles me how vocal some folks online are in their disapproval of the storyline. Mind you, the negativity around the "Sins Past" storyline in Amazing Spider-Man also mystifies me as well, so what do I know? I thought that was an excellent story too. Just wait until a shocking reveal tells us that Princess Leia had Darth Vader's child in between Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back! As heinous as that would be, there's a part of me that's thinking that would be one hell of an origin for an extremely messed up villain. He could even scar himself and take up the mantle of the new Darth Vader. I better keep quite. It's obvious that Disney would love to have Vader back for the new films...
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Post by Confessor on Jul 21, 2015 9:36:06 GMT -5
I have to say that I like it a lot and it often puzzles me how vocal some folks online are in their disapproval of the storyline. Mind you, the negativity around the "Sins Past" storyline in Amazing Spider-Man also mystifies me as well, so what do I know? I thought that was an excellent story too. Just wait until a shocking reveal tells us that Princess Leia had Darth Vader's child in between Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back! I'd be livid!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 21, 2015 10:46:19 GMT -5
Civil War I don't get how anyone can approve of it. I find people in the 18-25 range generally like it and everything about it just bothers me. I have to say that I like it a lot and it often puzzles me how vocal some folks online are in their disapproval of the storyline. Mind you, the negativity around the "Sins Past" storyline in Amazing Spider-Man also mystifies me as well, so what do I know? I thought that was an excellent story too. As a concept, it was pretty good. My biggest problem with it was the characterization... Tony Stark was terrible, and many others weren't much better. Plus, they destroyed the New Warriors (though they got redeemed a bit during Avengers: The Initiative, which is secretly a New Warriors book). The cool stuff (like the Initiative) didn't last, but the crappy stuff (Tony Stark as essentially Evil, the constant hero vs. hero thing, etc) seems to continue to stick around.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jul 21, 2015 18:02:57 GMT -5
If I were to say "I just don't get it ..." in regards to Rob Liefield, it would be "I just don't get it why people hate him so much". It's not hate per se...I just did not like his art at all. It made reading any 90s book that he was involved with unbearable. I was still in single digits in the early 90s but had my opinion of Rob since then. For the record, I'm not a fan of McFarlane's Spidey either and, by choice, have not bothered with the Volume 2 series from the 90s or his run with Amazing Spider-Man. I didn't mean to direct it at you Ms Jezebel. I can certainly understand we all have different artistic tastes. I seem to be in the minority in Liefield's work not being unbearable to me but all of Miller's and most of Mr Kirby's is to me. I actually like that early 2000's Shatterstar mini series he did. I at least saw some improvement in most of the critiques people make on his earlier work.
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