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Post by fanboystranger on Jul 14, 2015 17:54:18 GMT -5
EC Comics. I have read some stuff and I though, Meh. Conan. That series lasted quite a few years and was a factor in keeping Marvel alive back in the 70's but I just never saw what was special about it. Seems like the same story over and over again. I like Conan, but it is a lot of the same story over and over. Literally. I've read the same exact adaptations in SSOC as I have in the Dark Horse series. That is because the first two Dark Horse series were specifically built around REH stories, so every few issues was a new adaptation of a prose Conan story. There were new stories here and there like Born on the Battlefield, but overall, the first two DH Conan series are as faithful to REH stories as we're going to get in comics. Dark Horse seemed to relax that stance when Roy Thomas came back, and the three newer series by Thomas, Wood, and Van Lente haven't been as well recieved as Busiek's and Truma's respective series. (I'd actually argue that Truman's King Conan books are the best of the Dark Horse material, and perhaps the best ever Conan comics, BWS stuff included.) |
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Post by Rob Allen on Jul 14, 2015 18:24:11 GMT -5
I own Love and Rockets book one, and I've started it at least three times. I'm sure I'll finish it someday. I've heard that it gets better in book two.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 14, 2015 18:32:47 GMT -5
EC Comics. I have read some stuff and I though, Meh. Conan. That series lasted quite a few years and was a factor in keeping Marvel alive back in the 70's but I just never saw what was special about it. Seems like the same story over and over again. Conan is really the sort of thing you have to be in the mood for, IMO. It's great if you want to fantasy, or you're in a bad mood and you want to see things get destroyed. It's rarely deep, and often monster of the monthy, but that's OK. Also, the art is often amazing.  |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 14, 2015 18:39:15 GMT -5
Busiek's Kang story. I've always found Busiek to be a middling writer, but his Kang story was a real low note for me. It was interminable, and in the midst of it he dragged up the sorry carcass of the Ms Marvel 'rape' storyline from over 20 years ago for what seemed to be no real reason. Anything, and I mean anything, written by Bendis. I actually remember that being very important to the story... and Busiek giving Carol (She definitely wasn't Ms. Marvel during his run, incidently.... I think she was Warbird, but maybe Binary). something to do was the first time I was actually interested in her. I think this is the most bad I've heard about Busiek pretty much ever. Crazy. Other stuff: I never read any early Hickman... but I've heard that he mostly re-hashes 80s Euro comics before. Walking Dead I've never really given much of a chance... I just don't like zombies. I agree with Morrison, I think he's too hip for his own good.. sometimes his stuff is brilliant, but he often gets carried away. As far as the Celestial Madonna story goes.. I think there's a difference between a flawed hero and a bad guy that happens to do something good... most of those characters flaw into the latter, IMO. I liked Dark Knight Returns, but I don't really like Miller's art.. I think it's a good story IN SPITE of his art, rather than because of it. the sequel was practically a parody (Not sure if that was intended). Long Halloween was decent, but I think it gets far too much critical acclaim. |
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Jul 14, 2015 18:44:39 GMT -5
Civil War
I don't get how anyone can approve of it. I find people in the 18-25 range generally like it and everything about it just bothers me.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 14, 2015 18:46:03 GMT -5
Anything, and I mean anything, written by Bendis. Have you read Powers? Bendis, IMO, is a pretty good writer, he just doesn't play well with others. Give him his own property, and he can do a great job. Give him the Avengers, or the X-Men, and expect the characters to resemble anything they've been in the past, and forget it. |
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Jul 14, 2015 18:46:24 GMT -5
So, pakehafulla over in that 'what have you read' thread gave me an idea. ...and so starts my quest for world domination...mwah ha ha Busiek's Kang story. I've always found Busiek to be a middling writer, but his Kang story was a real low note for me. It was interminable, and in the midst of it he dragged up the sorry carcass of the Ms Marvel 'rape' storyline from over 20 years ago for what seemed to be no real reason. Anything, and I mean anything, written by Bendis. This is possibly the story where I gave up on that Avengers run, interminable, fanboy, continuity wank. I gave Allred's regular MADMAN comic a try for the first 5-6 issues, thinking that the nice art would lead to a story. I gave up and can't even remember anything I read in it. Even a single mediocre issue of Baron's BADGER oozes with more innovative lunacy than anything I've seen from Allred-- with the possible exception of the BROTHER POWER issue Allred did. Man I thought I was the only one, fell in love with his art on the FF and Silver Surfer runs, so I thought I would try HIS stuff, what a maroon I was. One of the best Avengers stories of all time in my opinion. The Ms. Marvel stuff wasn't for no reason, though addressing it certainly was iffy. But it directly led to Scarlet Centurion betraying Kang due to his feelings for her, which led to Kang essentially giving up on the whole conquest plan. It was the key to the storyline. This will have to go into the "agree to disagree" basket Scott. EC Comics. I have read some stuff and I though, Meh. Conan. That series lasted quite a few years and was a factor in keeping Marvel alive back in the 70's but I just never saw what was special about it. Seems like the same story over and over again. Conan got me back into "real" comics in the 70s, led to my discovery of the immortal Frank Frazetta, and Howards books, but the sameness of the stories is what led me to dropping the book a few years later, well that and Buscema and Thomas leaving. I'm slowly reading through from the start, have found I disliked the Windsor-Smith issues, and that the book flows better once big John comes on board. Yes Barry draws real purty, but I found that as a read, the change to Buscema helped me enjoy the books more. Maybe the colouring in these Dark Horse Chronicles has something to do with that too. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Jul 14, 2015 18:49:52 GMT -5
I own Love and Rockets book one, and I've started it at least three times. I'm sure I'll finish it someday. I've heard that it gets better in book two. It depends. Beto's stuff was pretty great from the start, but it took some time for Jaime to develop, in my opinion. Early Jaime stuff has its charms (and the art is definitely great), but I don't think he really found his voice until "1000 Rooms".
Oddly enough, I find that I like Jaime's overall work more than Beto's. Beto had the better start and a remarkably strong period around Human Diastrophism/Blood of Palomar, but his latter stuff, while still really great, isn't as strong as Jaime's later stuff.
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Post by fanboystranger on Jul 14, 2015 18:53:03 GMT -5
Civil War I don't get how anyone can approve of it. I find people in the 18-25 range generally like it and everything about it just bothers me. I thought it was a great idea executed in a mediocre fashion. It kinda bored me, to be honest. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 14, 2015 18:59:52 GMT -5
I admittedly didn't give Civil War much of a chance... the fact that they had to make my favorite character (Tony Stark) act completely out of character in order for it to work made me angry.
I agree Busiek focuses on Continuity... I like that, though. I understand some people don't. To me, the whole point of having a shared universe is building and, well, sharing it. That's what separates Marvel and DC from Manga, where creators write a series, then finish it, then move on.
Both methods have their good and bad points, of course, but for Marvel and DC, the shared part is often the coolest part for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 19:27:59 GMT -5
I own Love and Rockets book one, and I've started it at least three times. I'm sure I'll finish it someday. I've heard that it gets better in book two. It does get better, peaks about a dozen issues in I think, but if you're not hooked by issue #2 then it's probably not going to be your thing. The second issue was the first one I ever read and immediately knew it was my new thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 19:30:47 GMT -5
So, pakehafulla over in that 'what have you read' thread gave me an idea. What stories/comics just completely escape you, despite being sought after/acclaimed/revered by everyone else? Alan Moore's Lost Girls... I mean, who really does that with a horse? |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 14, 2015 19:44:31 GMT -5
I find Alan Moore hit or miss... never read that one. It doesn't make me want to, that's for sure. I liked V for Vendetta more than Watchmen, honestly, and though League of Extraordinary Gentleman was massively disappointing.
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Post by benday-dot on Jul 14, 2015 19:44:49 GMT -5
So much of these things listed I actually really like:
Generally speaking, I love most EC Comics. After all these years still might be the mediums finest moment.
I am a big fan of Conan
I really dig Love and Rockets.
Hickman is probably my favourite contemporary writer.
Grant Morrison, isn't always, but can be excellent.
Celestial Madonna story was terrific.
I like the character Kang.
Daniel Clowes is great, especially Ghost World and Eightball in particular is brilliant.
I love Mike Allred and bought all his work on Madmen and the spinoffs (Atomics etc.) and until near the end, when it began to lose steam, I enjoyed it.
Alan Moore is perhaps comics most gifted writer, and he doesn't hit everything out of the park, but pretty close to it.
One of my favourite Moore works is Lost Girls.
I am an indiscriminate bastard.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jul 14, 2015 19:53:10 GMT -5
EC Comics. I have read some stuff and I though, Meh. I have serious problems with the look and design of most of their books as well. The artists are all (A) uniformly great and (B) completely different from each other, stylistically. But they're stuck using these teeny little panels jammed with words. I generally favorably regard the Kurtzman edited books - which were groundbreaking for the time, and changed the face of comics - but any of the Feldstien books I can take in only very small doses. Side-Note: Psychoanalysis is the worst EC Comic. |
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