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Post by fanboystranger on Jul 15, 2015 9:32:20 GMT -5
I own Love and Rockets book one, and I've started it at least three times. I'm sure I'll finish it someday. I've heard that it gets better in book two. Love and Rockets is my favorite long-running comic (defined, here, as "running longer than Tales of the Beanworld") but I've only read Volume 1 maybe twice and I think that it's kinda crappy. Again, too many small panels. I did like the Dinosaur, though! I keep hoping he'll show up in, like, Frogmouth's back yard in the new series or somethin'. Frogmouth would totally keep a dinosaur in her backyard! |
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Post by fanboystranger on Jul 15, 2015 9:34:37 GMT -5
I love Gail Simones comedic work (Secret Six, Atom...), but her more straight-forward stuff (Birds of Prey, Wonder Woman, Action...) I find solid but bland. Completely agree with this. When she includes her twisted sense of humor in book like Secret Six and Deadpool, the books are great. Her more standard comic work is slightly better than mediocre, but not much. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Jul 15, 2015 9:44:37 GMT -5
I just don't get it... Snyders Batman... Court of Owls etc. Just completey bewildered by its praise. Snyder's another popular writer whose work I don't really really feel deserves the praise it gets. I mean, I can see the craft, but he's not really doing anything that hasn't been done before. His Swamp Thing run, which so many people gushed over, was little more than a love letter to the Moore/Veitch eras with some kind of reference or homage on pretty much every damn page. Any new element actually took away from the story, especially when it came to Anton Arcane, perhaps comics' finest example of self-interested evil reduced to always having been a servant of a higher power. I don't see much in his creator-owned work, either, although I liked Jock's art in Wytches.
It just puzzles me that Hickman, Snyder, and Kirkman get seen as these original voices when so much of their work seems derivative. They all have a strong sense of craft, but there's not much there in the ideas department. They're solid at best, not ground-breaking.
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Post by terence1965 on Jul 15, 2015 9:50:13 GMT -5
I love Gail Simones comedic work (Secret Six, Atom...), but her more straight-forward stuff (Birds of Prey, Wonder Woman, Action...) I find solid but bland. Completely agree with this. When she includes her twisted sense of humor in book like Secret Six and Deadpool, the books are great. Her more standard comic work is slightly better than mediocre, but not much. I avoid all Gail Simone work like the plague now, after having my fingers burnt by her runs on BoP, WW and Action. Like Bendis (and Mark Millar) I have become very unforgiving towards certain creators, and Simone had her day with me on Wonder Woman. Someone will always tell me that this run, or that run, by these creators is much better, but....no. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 15, 2015 9:54:00 GMT -5
I love Gail Simones comedic work (Secret Six, Atom...), but her more straight-forward stuff (Birds of Prey, Wonder Woman, Action...) I find solid but bland. Completely agree with this. When she includes her twisted sense of humor in book like Secret Six and Deadpool, the books are great. Her more standard comic work is slightly better than mediocre, but not much. I think most of her appeal is from before she was a writer... both from the 'women in refrigerators' thing and her other journalism/editoral stuff. I agree she's a decent writer, but nothing remarkable. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Jul 15, 2015 9:54:38 GMT -5
Completely agree with this. When she includes her twisted sense of humor in book like Secret Six and Deadpool, the books are great. Her more standard comic work is slightly better than mediocre, but not much. I avoid all Gail Simone work like the plague now, after having my fingers burnt by her runs on BoP, WW and Action. Like Bendis (and Mark Millar) I have become very unforgiving towards certain creators, and Simone had her day with me on Wonder Woman. Someone will always tell me that this run, or that run, by these creators is much better, but....no. I would recommend Secret Six as it's a wild ride filled with dark humor, but nothing she's done since then has been all that interesting. I don't think you're missing much at this point if you avoid her work. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 12:05:35 GMT -5
I just don't get it... Snyders Batman... Court of Owls etc. Just completey bewildered by its praise. Snyder's another popular writer whose work I don't really really feel deserves the praise it gets. I mean, I can see the craft, but he's not really doing anything that hasn't been done before. His Swamp Thing run, which so many people gushed over, was little more than a love letter to the Moore/Veitch eras with some kind of reference or homage on pretty much every damn page. Any new element actually took away from the story, especially when it came to Anton Arcane, perhaps comics' finest example of self-interested evil reduced to always having been a servant of a higher power. I don't see much in his creator-owned work, either, although I liked Jock's art in Wytches.
It just puzzles me that Hickman, Snyder, and Kirkman get seen as these original voices when so much of their work seems derivative. They all have a strong sense of craft, but there's not much there in the ideas department. They're solid at best, not ground-breaking.
Ive never read any of Snyder's super hero stuff, but read three of his creator owned series. Loved American Vampire, really liking Wytches, and loved the first half of The Wake, but the second half not so much. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 12:06:57 GMT -5
Completely agree with this. When she includes her twisted sense of humor in book like Secret Six and Deadpool, the books are great. Her more standard comic work is slightly better than mediocre, but not much. I think most of her appeal is from before she was a writer... both from the 'women in refrigerators' thing and her other journalism/editoral stuff. I agree she's a decent writer, but nothing remarkable. I think she's a terrible hypocrite when comparing her mainstream work to the stuff she used to complain about before she went pro. Her work is pretty status quo as far as the depiction of women in comics is concerned. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 15, 2015 12:14:18 GMT -5
Snyder's another popular writer whose work I don't really really feel deserves the praise it gets. I mean, I can see the craft, but he's not really doing anything that hasn't been done before. His Swamp Thing run, which so many people gushed over, was little more than a love letter to the Moore/Veitch eras with some kind of reference or homage on pretty much every damn page. Any new element actually took away from the story, especially when it came to Anton Arcane, perhaps comics' finest example of self-interested evil reduced to always having been a servant of a higher power. I don't see much in his creator-owned work, either, although I liked Jock's art in Wytches.
It just puzzles me that Hickman, Snyder, and Kirkman get seen as these original voices when so much of their work seems derivative. They all have a strong sense of craft, but there's not much there in the ideas department. They're solid at best, not ground-breaking.
Ive never read any of Snyder's super hero stuff, but read three of his creator owned series. Loved American Vampire, really liking Wytches, and loved the first half of The Wake, but the second half not so much. I liked American Vampire quite a bit. Will probably re-read soonish. I haven't read either of the others, but plan too. I think one of the main problems with Court of Owls is that the same story had been told a half-dozen or so times before. There just wasn't anything new there at all. |
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Post by terence1965 on Jul 15, 2015 12:22:27 GMT -5
I think most of her appeal is from before she was a writer... both from the 'women in refrigerators' thing and her other journalism/editoral stuff. I agree she's a decent writer, but nothing remarkable. I think she's a terrible hypocrite when comparing her mainstream work to the stuff she used to complain about before she went pro. Her work is pretty status quo as far as the depiction of women in comics is concerned. What was that column she wrote? You Will All Be Sorry! ? Yes, yes I guess I was. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jul 15, 2015 12:31:17 GMT -5
Completely agree with this. When she includes her twisted sense of humor in book like Secret Six and Deadpool, the books are great. Her more standard comic work is slightly better than mediocre, but not much. I think most of her appeal is from before she was a writer... both from the 'women in refrigerators' thing and her other journalism/editoral stuff. I agree she's a decent writer, but nothing remarkable. Does her work reflect her views? I only read Deadpool/Agent X long before I got into forums. But like Bendis, her forum escapades on CBR and Bendis' forum is why I've never really read much more. Which is unusually for me, as I am pretty good at compartmentalizing a creator from their work. Edit: What was that column she wrote? You Will All Be Sorry! ? Yes, yes I guess I was. Along with a sub-forum on CBR under the same name that got so out of control Jonah had to lock it long before the whole forum reset. Her and her disciples then migrated to Bendis' forum. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 15, 2015 14:45:10 GMT -5
I've personally only read the Women in Refrigerators column/article, so I have no idea if her writing reflects it... I'm not much for editorials.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jul 15, 2015 14:51:05 GMT -5
On the work of Gail Simone, could we have some examples of how she's a hypocrite? For example, I am unaware that she ever killed off a female character just to provide a motive for the male hero.
I am by no means an expert on Gail Simone. I just like to see examples when someone gets called a hypocrite without a single example being cited for comparison.
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Post by The Cheat on Jul 15, 2015 15:12:34 GMT -5
I just don't get it... Snyders Batman... Court of Owls etc. Just completey bewildered by its praise. I think his reputation's been helped a lot due to the general low quality of the other New52 books around him. I imagine being associated with Gregg Capullo's art helps somewhat too. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 15, 2015 16:45:51 GMT -5
Like benday-dot, I am a big fan of many things listed here. (Some people don't like Conan? Alan Moore? LOVE AND ROCKETS???)
Some books or creators I dislike, sometimes deeply, but I get why they're popular. However, there is one thing I simply do not get: why fans, who are not all new readers, keep reading variations on the "ultimate crisis everywhere and at the same time" theme. It wasn't even that exciting the first time round, and after thirty years it's gotten really tedious. Isn't there a way to tell interesting stories without having a continuity-heavy (and continuity-destroying) company wide "event" every bloody five minutes?
(Granted it might be a few years rather than five minutes, but it sure feels like it).
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