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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 27, 2023 6:22:35 GMT -5
Yeah I stopped around the time Captain Marvel joined, as much due to other things, as anything else; but, Roger Stern does a lot with it and gets some good art partners, including the pairing of John Buscema and Tom Palmer. I like Buscema, but some of his later work has a kind of generic drama to it and the line isn't as strong, as you would expect, and Palmer working over his breakdowns kind of fixes that, for me. Stern had about a 5 year run on the title, until he was fired off the book, after disagreements with Mark Gruenwald. he'd also had issues with Danny Fingeroth, on Amazing Spider-Man. After his firing, he went to DC and helped in the revitalization of Superman. I always liked Stern's work, including his Captain America, with John Byrne. He always seemed to know how to tap into the essence of the character and build upon it.He certainly got me interested in the Legion again, after I had written it off following the post-Zero Hour reboot. I wonder if the Legion has the record for most reboots.
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Post by driver1980 on Jul 27, 2023 6:33:36 GMT -5
He certainly got me interested in the Legion again, after I had written it off following the post-Zero Hour reboot. I wonder if the Legion has the record for most reboots. No, Hulk Hogan has had the most reboots: Super Destroyer, Terry Boulder, Sterling Golden, Hulk Hogan, Hollywood Hulk Hogan, Mr America, and probably one or two I’ve forgotten. Joking aside, it has to be either the Legion of Hawkman, right?
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 27, 2023 7:04:27 GMT -5
Welcome back , driver.
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Post by tonebone on Jul 27, 2023 7:23:04 GMT -5
I'm assuming I have now been banned. Good night, everyone. If you can’t be famous, be infamous. That's MORE than famous!
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Post by tartanphantom on Jul 27, 2023 9:24:53 GMT -5
If you can’t be famous, be infamous. That's MORE than famous!
In fact, it's a plethora of "famous", El Guapo; much like those sweaters people give you for your birthday...
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Post by MWGallaher on Jul 29, 2023 12:56:56 GMT -5
OK, "Pieface" is clearly offensive, but what about "Beppo"? For years as a kid I thought it was a made-up nonsense name, but it suddenly occurred to me that the inspiration for giving the super-monkey this Italian nickname for "Giuseppe" might have its roots in the cliché of the Italian organ grinder with his monkey. I certainly can't think of any other common associations of Italy with monkeys.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 29, 2023 14:16:30 GMT -5
OK, "Pieface" is clearly offensive, but what about "Beppo"? For years as a kid I thought it was a made-up nonsense name, but it suddenly occurred to me that the inspiration for giving the super-monkey this Italian nickname for "Giuseppe" might have its roots in the cliché of the Italian organ grinder with his monkey. I certainly can't think of any other common associations of Italy with monkeys. Nicely done.
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Post by badwolf on Jul 31, 2023 8:51:59 GMT -5
I think that's one that so lost to time that it doesn't really matter any more. I didn't even know there was an Italian organ grinder cliche.
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 31, 2023 9:11:34 GMT -5
Being lost in time doesn't make it less racist. I am quite aware of the cliche from old movies and cartoons. But even so, the origins of the slur for gay people that starts with F is no less a slur if people don't know it's origins. Same with people who claim they didn't know they were using antisemitic tropes.
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Post by badwolf on Jul 31, 2023 9:42:49 GMT -5
I know of the organ grinder image (also from cartoons) but never thought of it as particularly Italian.
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 31, 2023 12:00:08 GMT -5
I think people who use derogatory language or names when they are unaware get a pass. But what is wrong is when they continue to use them after they have been informed that it is bigoted. Not directed to anyone here.
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Post by MWGallaher on Jul 31, 2023 22:04:02 GMT -5
I know of the organ grinder image (also from cartoons) but never thought of it as particularly Italian. According to this article, in 1880, one in 20 Italian men in Five Points in Manhattan were organ grinders! Mayor Laguardia outlawed them in 1936, possibly because he resented them as stereotypes of Italians. I remember being fascinated by the references to them in old cartoons and such, and wondering why I'd never seen one (and kind of wishing I could be an organ grinder with a monkey, myself!).
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 31, 2023 22:26:14 GMT -5
OK, "Pieface" is clearly offensive, but what about "Beppo"? For years as a kid I thought it was a made-up nonsense name, but it suddenly occurred to me that the inspiration for giving the super-monkey this Italian nickname for "Giuseppe" might have its roots in the cliché of the Italian organ grinder with his monkey. I certainly can't think of any other common associations of Italy with monkeys. I had no idea that Beppo was a nickname for Giuseppe. But there are very few people of Italian descent hereabouts.
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Post by zaku on Aug 1, 2023 0:42:45 GMT -5
OK, "Pieface" is clearly offensive, but what about "Beppo"? For years as a kid I thought it was a made-up nonsense name, but it suddenly occurred to me that the inspiration for giving the super-monkey this Italian nickname for "Giuseppe" might have its roots in the cliché of the Italian organ grinder with his monkey. I certainly can't think of any other common associations of Italy with monkeys. I had no idea that Beppo was a nickname for Giuseppe. But there are very few people of Italian descent hereabouts. Italian here. I can confirm that Beppo was used as nickname for Giuseppe (but now it's less common). Other ones are "Beppe", "Peppe", "Pino"
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Post by EdoBosnar on Aug 1, 2023 2:25:36 GMT -5
I had no idea that Beppo was a nickname for Giuseppe. But there are very few people of Italian descent hereabouts. Italian here. I can confirm that Beppo was used as nickname for Giuseppe (but now it's less common). Other ones are "Beppe", " Peppe", "Pino" Interesting, in Croatia a common nickname for someone named Josip (the equivalent of Joseph/Giuseppe) was Pepo; another, probably taking a cue from the German-speaking world, was Sepo (like one of my uncles). As you said about Italy, though, neither are as common any more.
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