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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 14:26:36 GMT -5
Challenge what conclusion? He first appeared in 1978. His creator, Gerry Conway wasn't even born until 1952. MG, I think what may be tripping you up is the phrase "set in 1939". By which it's saying that the stories were supposed to be taking place in 1939, not that it was actually created/published in 1939. Because, like tingramretro & Slam said, Steel is a pure retcon character. What's a retcon character - I've never, ever heard of that term before in my life! |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Sept 4, 2015 14:31:16 GMT -5
MG, I think what may be tripping you up is the phrase "set in 1939". By which it's saying that the stories were supposed to be taking place in 1939, not that it was actually created/published in 1939. Because, like tingramretro & Slam said, Steel is a pure retcon character. What's a retcon character - I've never, ever heard of that term before in my life! Sorry, "retcon" is a shorthand term for "retroactive continuity". Meaning an event, character, etc, that is inserted into the previously known history or a character or series after the fact. The All-Star Squadron group (and series) is another example of that since that group of characters never got together in the actual Golden Age. It was come up with by Roy Thomas years after the fact. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 14:38:46 GMT -5
What's a retcon character - I've never, ever heard of that term before in my life! Sorry, "retcon" is a shorthand term for "retroactive continuity". Meaning an event, character, etc, that is inserted into the previously known history or a character or series after the fact. The All-Star Squadron group (and series) is another example of that since that group of characters never got together in the actual Golden Age. It was come up with by Roy Thomas years after the fact. It's now makes sense - I heard of that term before and I've issues with it that's hard for me to explain and I have friends back home telling me about it and still bothers me a lot. Anyway, thanks for the update and I guess that I have to take me out of the running. I wanted to thank you for clearing that up. I seen many examples of this and this always throws me a curve-ball so to speak.  |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Sept 4, 2015 14:42:36 GMT -5
Sorry, "retcon" is a shorthand term for "retroactive continuity". Meaning an event, character, etc, that is inserted into the previously known history or a character or series after the fact. The All-Star Squadron group (and series) is another example of that since that group of characters never got together in the actual Golden Age. It was come up with by Roy Thomas years after the fact. It's now makes sense - I heard of that term before and I've issues with it that's hard for me to explain and I have friends back home telling me about it and still bothers me a lot. Anyway, thanks for the update and I guess that I have to take me out of the running. I wanted to thank you for clearing that up. I seen many examples of this and this always throws me a curve-ball so to speak. No problem, glad to help. There's also a page on Wikipedia about "retroactive continuity", if you're interested. Wiki-link |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 4, 2015 14:44:42 GMT -5
Steel the Indestructible man first appeared in Steel #1. The book came out in 1978. The series was "set" in 1939, but he never appeared prior to 1978. Gerry Conway the writer who created Steel was born in 1952...so he couldn't have created Steel in the Golden Age. www.comics.org/series/2446/covers/Another example would be Amazing-Man. Who was created by Roy Thomas so there would be a minority character in the All-Star Squadron. The character was set in the 1940s but wasn't created until 1983. So he's a modern character set in the "Golden Age." Same with the female Firebrand. |
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 5, 2015 1:04:05 GMT -5
Commander Steel is not a genuine Golden Age character, though. He's a continuity implant-he was created as Steel the Indestructible Man in March 1978, by Gerry Conway and Don Heck.
Please read the link and determine the outcome for yourself. I found evidence today to challenge that conclusion ... Please also read the fictional character biography too. If I'm wrong ... I will understand your position. From WikipediaSteel first appeared in a series set in 1939, Steel: The Indestructible Man, written by Captain America writer Gerry Conway. The series was canceled after five issues, and Steel later made a guest-appearance in Justice League of America. Steel or Commander Steel also appeared in and was a member of the World War II era All-Star Squadron team. I'm sorry, but you are indeed wrong. Steel first appeared in 1978. I bought his first appearance when it came out. There's no debate about this. |
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Post by berkley on Sept 5, 2015 1:32:27 GMT -5
#34 Air WaveAlter Ego: Lawrence "Larry" Jordan  Who's the artist here, does anyone know? |
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 5, 2015 1:39:08 GMT -5
Steel the Indestructible man first appeared in Steel #1. The book came out in 1978. The series was "set" in 1939, but he never appeared prior to 1978. Gerry Conway the writer who created Steel was born in 1952...so he couldn't have created Steel in the Golden Age. www.comics.org/series/2446/covers/Another example would be Amazing-Man. Who was created by Roy Thomas so there would be a minority character in the All-Star Squadron. The character was set in the 1940s but wasn't created until 1983. So he's a modern character set in the "Golden Age." Same with the female Firebrand. Likewise Union Jack and Spitfire, in Marvel's Invaders series. Or, indeed, the Invaders as a group. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 1:51:43 GMT -5
#34 Air WaveAlter Ego: Lawrence "Larry" Jordan Who's the artist here, does anyone know? I believe it was Harris LeveyFrom WikipediaHarris Levey (August 13, 1921 – August 18, 1984),[2] whose pseudonyms included Lee Harris, Leland Harris, and Harris Levy, was a comic book artist for DC Comics primarily in the 1940s. He co-created the Golden Age superhero Air Wave, who has continued, in new permutations, into the 21st century. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 1:53:30 GMT -5
Steel the Indestructible man first appeared in Steel #1. The book came out in 1978. The series was "set" in 1939, but he never appeared prior to 1978. Gerry Conway the writer who created Steel was born in 1952...so he couldn't have created Steel in the Golden Age. www.comics.org/series/2446/covers/Another example would be Amazing-Man. Who was created by Roy Thomas so there would be a minority character in the All-Star Squadron. The character was set in the 1940s but wasn't created until 1983. So he's a modern character set in the "Golden Age." Same with the female Firebrand. Likewise Union Jack and Spitfire, in Marvel's Invaders series. Or, indeed, the Invaders as a group. DE Sinclair and Slam Bradley squared me away on this and I took him out of the running. You were right. |
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 5, 2015 2:09:01 GMT -5
Likewise Union Jack and Spitfire, in Marvel's Invaders series. Or, indeed, the Invaders as a group. DE Sinclair and Slam Bradley squared me away on this and I took him out of the running. You were right. I know I was. As I said, I have the book in my collection. In fact, I have the first four issues, though the fifth and final one eluded me at the time. I might actually get around to tracking it down, one day. This is the first time I've thought about that series in years, but it was actually not bad. The title was a victim of the DC Implosion, but the story that would have been in issue #6 was reworked as All-Star Squadron #8-9. |
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Post by the4thpip on Sept 5, 2015 2:24:26 GMT -5
Who's the artist here, does anyone know? I believe it was Harris LeveyFrom WikipediaHarris Levey (August 13, 1921 – August 18, 1984),[2] whose pseudonyms included Lee Harris, Leland Harris, and Harris Levy, was a comic book artist for DC Comics primarily in the 1940s. He co-created the Golden Age superhero Air Wave, who has continued, in new permutations, into the 21st century. The inking and lettering make me believe that this is not a panel from a GA comic, but a flashback to the original Air Wave in one of the back up stories from the 80s. Possibly the "whatever happened to AirWave" story from the "whatever happened to ..." series in "DC Comics Presents". In that case, it would have been early Alex Saviuk, inked by Vince Colletta. This is more likely to be Levey's work:   Edit: Found a panel from the Saviuk/Colletta issue in DCP #40, featuring Air Wave II - Larry's widow Helen. Art looks different from that panel a few posts up.  |
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Post by the4thpip on Sept 5, 2015 2:39:20 GMT -5
After another image search, I would guess that it is from one of the Air Wave backups in Action Comics. I found this page by, again, Alex Saviuk but inked by Dennis Jensen, which to the surprise of nobody makes a huge difference compared to Colletta's inks. This looks a lot more like that panel of classic Air Wave above.  |
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Post by foxley on Sept 5, 2015 5:00:29 GMT -5
I'm almost certain that panel is from an issue of All-Star Squadron.
I think the artist is Arvell Jones.
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Post by MDG on Sept 5, 2015 8:33:04 GMT -5
I'm almost certain that panel is from an issue of All-Star Squadron. I think the artist is Arvell Jones. That's the name that popped into my head when I saw it as well. |
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