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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 15:21:33 GMT -5
That has less to do with drm and more to do with the illegal way it was implemented, which if what dupont is saying is accurate is not an issue with the new method. in music, drm did exist for around 5 -10 years but was removed at insistence of mp3 providers and consumers. If the history of music is anything to judge by drm does not last. sony's own previous drm was such a mess and also illegally gathered information on users that many previous sony users will be once bitten twice shy no matter what their new system is for pcs at least. if you look at the cinavia description on Wiki (i know i know..) If a "theatrical release" watermark is detected in a consumer Blu-ray Disc audio track, the accompanying video is deemed to have been sourced from a "cam" recording. If the "AACS watermark" is present in the audio tracks, but no accompanying and matching AACS key is found on the disc, then it is deemed to have been a "rip" made by copying to a second blank Blu-ray Disc. it basically protects against rips from discs burnt from legitimate copies. Now I dont know for certain and am too lazy to check but i'd suspect the biggest bulk of illegal copies are downloaded as mpegs and played as mpegs rather than burnt onto discs. So Pc users will largely be unaffected. It detects media played from a flash drive. It doesn't have to be burned to a disc. It doesn't effect computers because computers have media viewers without this technology built in, at the moment. It will not work in a device with this type of technology, no matter what. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 15:23:03 GMT -5
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 30, 2014 16:15:47 GMT -5
I like how the 9th post in the forum already has a work-around to foil the new security system. Next will be orbiting drones monitoring your everyday activities. Why expend all this effort just to protect Hollywood? Any anti-social behavior must be stopped  |
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Post by ironchimp on Jul 30, 2014 16:25:05 GMT -5
in music, drm did exist for around 5 -10 years but was removed at insistence of mp3 providers and consumers. If the history of music is anything to judge by drm does not last. sony's own previous drm was such a mess and also illegally gathered information on users that many previous sony users will be once bitten twice shy no matter what their new system is for pcs at least. if you look at the cinavia description on Wiki (i know i know..) If a "theatrical release" watermark is detected in a consumer Blu-ray Disc audio track, the accompanying video is deemed to have been sourced from a "cam" recording. If the "AACS watermark" is present in the audio tracks, but no accompanying and matching AACS key is found on the disc, then it is deemed to have been a "rip" made by copying to a second blank Blu-ray Disc. it basically protects against rips from discs burnt from legitimate copies. Now I dont know for certain and am too lazy to check but i'd suspect the biggest bulk of illegal copies are downloaded as mpegs and played as mpegs rather than burnt onto discs. So Pc users will largely be unaffected. It detects media played from a flash drive. It doesn't have to be burned to a disc. It doesn't effect computers because computers have media viewers without this technology built in, at the moment. It will not work in a device with this type of technology, no matter what. yes you need a dedicated set up for it to work with a single media player. pcs are a slippery customer to control in that regard. i was going to say it might still be possible with comics but people seem to read them on a number of different devices (phones, ipads, kindles, etc) so managing all that with drm seems tricky. The cloud seems a viable way of doing things at the minute. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 16:38:28 GMT -5
It would be impossible to stop someone from creating a cheap clunky free media player without DRM. It would be impossible for that media player to work if the DRM was built into your operating system.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 16:41:48 GMT -5
There isn't currently a way to do it with comics as long as print exists. Scans of printed material would be DRM free of course.
Eventually there may be a type of software similar to what Sony is using on movies to recognize audio tracks and implemented to recognize pages. This isn't anywhere on the horizon that I know of though, and it would require either pages being imbedded with a distinguishing watermark or some method of constantly updating the software to detect new material. We're years away from anything like that, and comics as an industry doesn't quite have the money movies and TV does, so it may never get developed. We may see the end of print before we see DRM in print.
But if movies, tv, and music pirating were no longer a thing, or if their popularity dropped to a tiny fraction of what it is now, these ad supported piracy sites might dry up. Do comics alone have enough piracy to keep illegal filesharing going? The owners of these file sharing sites are risking federal prison by operating them. When traffic drops, revenue drops, and the reward to risk ratio looks less desirable. When is it not even worth it anymore? At that point where would a pirate download from?
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Post by ironchimp on Jul 30, 2014 17:32:50 GMT -5
I just had a quick look to see how easy it is to download the latest issue of Elektra.
obviously i wont include the link but site was really easy to use, huge chunk of new releases, really clean design and 2 mins and no cloud.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 18:00:21 GMT -5
I just had a quick look to see how easy it is to download the latest issue of Elektra. obviously i wont include the link but site was really easy to use, huge chunk of new releases, really clean design and 2 mins and no cloud. Someone once asked me if these kinds of 'comic-blog' sites and cbr readers such as Comic Rack are a bad thing for comics. I thought...well if I like what I see on the eComics reader, I can then go buy the original comics. The interesting thing is...if I buy original comics that are resold in the secondary market, publishers don't get a penny from that either...sales proceeds and profits go straight to the seller. So should I feel guilty downloading a book? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 18:04:42 GMT -5
Many people who download would never even consider purchasing a comic.
The whole "fight the system, Marvel and DC have enough money" attitude is fine, but MANY comics creators are struggling to pay the bills and are going to work until the day they die broke. These people are being stolen from.
If you bought the comic on the secondary market, it would have to exist on the secondary market. Comics downloaded while brand new by people who will never pay for the comic can conceivably get a comic cancelled. Now there's no comic to buy or steal. On top of that, assuming even a tiny fraction of them would pay for comics if there was no free comics option, every single one of those downloads is taking food out of people's mouths. It's keeping Stan Sakai from being able to pay for his ailing wife's medical care. It's a part of the reason comic book legends rely on charity in their final days.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 22:33:15 GMT -5
It would be impossible to stop someone from creating a cheap clunky free media player without DRM. It would be impossible for that media player to work if the DRM was built into your operating system. There's always Linux. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 23:51:27 GMT -5
It would be impossible to stop someone from creating a cheap clunky free media player without DRM. It would be impossible for that media player to work if the DRM was built into your operating system. There's always Linux. I didn't say if it was built into Windows, I said if it was built into your operating system. They've already made it law to attach that technology to all Bluray players, no matter who or where they are manufactured. Is it impossible to imagine they somehow attach operating systems to the same law? Especially as media playing devices evolve and living room computers become more common? I can even imagine the technology being built into cellphones. Not overnight, I'm just saying, I believe in ten years we'll look back and hardly believe there was a time when anyone could download anything for free, and play it on any device. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 0:03:19 GMT -5
I don't see how you force DRM on Linux. Sure, they can force them to include such measures on the discs they sell in stores (if those even exist anymore) and maybe the discs with the magazines, but that's not really how people get their distros.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 0:08:30 GMT -5
I don't see how you force DRM on Linux. Sure, they can force them to include such measures on the discs they sell in stores (if those even exist anymore) and maybe the discs with the magazines, but that's not really how people get their distros. Linux gets updates doesn't it? Or are people running the same decades old operating system? Because if they get updates, I believe eventually the "new" version will have this. People will obviously keep their old versions, just like they'll keep their old versions of Windows and OSX for as long as they can, but at what point is an operating system absolutely obsolete? When new hardware won't support it? How long does that take? Like I said, it's not an overnight thing. It will be a gradual implementation, but I believe it will eventually be thorough enough that pirating will be a tiny fraction of what it is today, essentially a thing of the past for most people. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 0:46:55 GMT -5
Yes to your first question, and I believe lots of people use really old distros. I have no idea about lifespans of them, though. That has no bearing on my point, though. My understanding is there is no company responsible for putting out new Linux update/distros.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 0:56:04 GMT -5
I don't know a lot about Linux but there's always a fix. One is hardware not working with an operating system that didn't have the DRM. Not 100% sure that's possible but I imagine it is. How legal that is I don't know. That would be the kind of legislature that would have a lot of opposition. But then again net neutrality was a big deal too and look what happened. Corporations hold an insane amount of power. They have a lot of lobbying money. Any file share site owners that have money are probably not in a rush to make that known, so it would be up to the ACLU and grassroots movements to oppose that kind of thing.
In fact, the current situation with net neutrality could make file sharing way less practical with the click of a button.
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