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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 28, 2014 5:42:27 GMT -5
That would be Tom Wolfe, the writer of the original essay,"Radical Chic." Tom Wolfe was a member of the Defenders? I read that issue like six or seven years ago, but as I recall, he simply pops up at the end. Suffice it to say, it's the goofiest issue of the Incredible Hulk I've ever read and not likely to ever rank as one of my favorites. |
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Post by Pharozonk on Jun 28, 2014 6:39:11 GMT -5
Hal Jordan vs the bar of soap  |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 28, 2014 6:45:51 GMT -5
And it wasn't even yellow soap! Curses!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2014 9:51:08 GMT -5
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Post by tolworthy on Jun 28, 2014 10:14:45 GMT -5
The Marvel Time sliding time scale was already in place by 1980. So it had probably been about eight years Marvel Time since the events of X-Men #1 in 1980. True, but this of course depends on exactly how Marvel Time works. Well since you bring it up....  As far as I can tell, and I've researched this in some detail, the heroes simply aged slowly between 1968 and 1988: all dates were still accurate, but the people were unable to notice the stretching. Our world and the Marvel universe did not separate until the chaotic period between Shooter and the ascendancy of Image (I pinpoint the break at the January 1989 issues if you want to be specific). So from 1968 to 1988 we have stretching time (slow ageing, but only for the heroes), but it was still anchored in 1961. Then from 1989 Marvel Time stretched too far and snapped: then we have the free floating sliding time we see today. At least, that's what the evidence suggests to me. I document it all on my web site. This image sums up the change:  If I am right, then Jean Grey's dates (1956-1980) are accurate, but Franklin's influence prevented the heroes from seeing the implications: that something happened between 1956 and 1963 to make Jean jump at least ten years ahead, and that between 1968 and 1980 Jean aged less than five years, like everyone else. OK, I said that nobody noticed time stretching. There are two obvious exceptions: Dr Strange - as an expert on all things weird we might expect him to notice, and there is evidence that he did. And of course She-Hulk. We learn from FF 194 that Shulkie is effectively immortal, and since she is good friends with Franklin (and good at keeping secrets) he seems to have exempted her from the effect. It is also possible that Reed suspects, but Franklin's influence is pretty strong and the comics are ambiguous on the matter. |
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Post by thebeastofyuccaflats on Jun 28, 2014 10:15:15 GMT -5
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Post by Phil Maurice on Jun 28, 2014 13:37:50 GMT -5
Great choices everyone! So many hilarious moments that they'd surely prefer we forget. Poor Spider-Man could probably fill a thread of his own on this topic.
 
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 28, 2014 14:20:02 GMT -5
Well, tolworthy, I've long held the view that fans haven't always been on the same page with creators. I think most older creators viewed superhero universes as being more akin to something like The Simpsons than to a daily soap opera. Sure, the Marvel Universe is ostensibly realistic compared to The Simpsons, but they both share virtually all of the same conceptual conceits.
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Post by Jasoomian on Jun 28, 2014 16:01:54 GMT -5
The Marvel Time sliding time scale was already in place by 1980. So it had probably been about eight years Marvel Time since the events of X-Men #1 in 1980. True, but this of course depends on exactly how Marvel Time works. Well since you bring it up.... As far as I can tell, and I've researched this in some detail, the heroes simply aged slowly between 1968 and 1988: I have to disagree. The entire universe aged at the same rate in Marvel Time properly understood. And it was anchored in the present being the present. Marvel Time didn't kick in until 1967. IIRC, Stan Lee announced it in a Spidey letter column. So the first four years of X-Men comics took place over four years. Then Marvel Time kicked in. I think the best approximation that seems to work is that a month's passage in publication time is about a week in Marvel Time. Approximately 13 years of published adventures take place over three years of in-universe Marvel Time. And Marvel Time was supposed to be anchored in the present being the present. So if Jean was 24 in 1980, she would have been born in 1956. The events in X-Men #1 could now have been understood to have occurred ~1972. The course of events since Giant-Size X-Men #1 would have taken like 18 months maybe. Of course Claremont hated all this and wanted to age everyone in real time. And sometimes different authors had slightly different ideas about when they were writing, like maybe in your Thing clip. But even there, it looks like it's edited to be intentionally vague. Archie Bunker always called "WW2 the big one," but maybe Thing meant Vietnam? Or some other MU-616-specific war of twenty years prior? In 1987 under Marvel Time properly understood, Ben would have been the Thing for about 11 years. Changing the war featured in a hero's origin story was recurring feature of the Marvel U sliding forward the time scale via Marvel Time. Anyway, this all worked fine til about the time Shooter left or Claremont was fired or whenever... At which point the 616 produced only garbage for about ten years ... By the turn of the millenium, writers were tampering with the beginning of the MU to make it all work, saying the events of 1961-67 occured not over six years, but over about two years Marvel Time... One more hack to try and keep the characters younger. But then after a few years of soft Spider-Man reboots, Quesada basically confirmed that the new version of Marvel Time is that each hero ages in his own pocket universe until such time as he is the ideal age for a film franchise. So I would argue, that : is how Marvel Time works nowadays for the past decade or so. But that is NOT how it worked from 1967-1991. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 28, 2014 16:47:24 GMT -5
 Kal And Barda Make A Porno This should be John Byrne's most embarrassing moment. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2014 1:59:47 GMT -5
Forget Chris Hemsworth and cast Kermit in the next Avengers movie...  |
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Post by tolworthy on Jun 29, 2014 2:00:43 GMT -5
Ok, I changed my mind about the Professor X thing. I was wrong. Last night I read the Fantastic Four versus X-Men mini, and I realise that the X-Men are just inappropriate where under-age girls are concerned.
I never read the X-Men much before, but my eyes have been opened. I nominate Claremont's 1987 "FF v X men" as embarrassing. Which is a shame, as it's also a really good story. But it centres around a naked 14 year old girl. In each of the four issues the X-Men and any other visitors get to leer at her - sorry, to gaze at her in a concerned way. They have her in a big glass tube in the middle of the room so everyone gets a really good view, and they even have a raised balcony for group viewing so they can all get a better look.
But just to show the X-Men don't have a 14 year old fetish, the four issue mini also includes Sue Storm's one and only full nude scene, where she uses her forcefield to rip off all her clothes. And they even find space for Rogue to get naked and fly though the air outside with everyone watching her. There may be other nudes I missed, as I tended to skim the X-Men sections.
I'm not really complaining in general, but under age girls and Susan Storm-Richards? That's just wrong.
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Post by Spike-X on Jun 29, 2014 3:47:40 GMT -5
The Marvel Time sliding time scale was already in place by 1980. So it had probably been about eight years Marvel Time since the events of X-Men #1 in 1980. True, but this of course depends on exactly how Marvel Time works. Well since you bring it up.... As far as I can tell, and I've researched this in some detail, the heroes simply aged slowly between 1968 and 1988: all dates were still accurate, but the people were unable to notice the stretching. Our world and the Marvel universe did not separate until the chaotic period between Shooter and the ascendancy of Image (I pinpoint the break at the January 1989 issues if you want to be specific). So from 1968 to 1988 we have stretching time (slow ageing, but only for the heroes), but it was still anchored in 1961. Then from 1989 Marvel Time stretched too far and snapped: then we have the free floating sliding time we see today. At least, that's what the evidence suggests to me. I document it all on my web site. This image sums up the change: If I am right, then Jean Grey's dates (1956-1980) are accurate, but Franklin's influence prevented the heroes from seeing the implications: that something happened between 1956 and 1963 to make Jean jump at least ten years ahead, and that between 1968 and 1980 Jean aged less than five years, like everyone else. OK, I said that nobody noticed time stretching. There are two obvious exceptions: Dr Strange - as an expert on all things weird we might expect him to notice, and there is evidence that he did. And of course She-Hulk. We learn from FF 194 that Shulkie is effectively immortal, and since she is good friends with Franklin (and good at keeping secrets) he seems to have exempted her from the effect. It is also possible that Reed suspects, but Franklin's influence is pretty strong and the comics are ambiguous on the matter. I have a much simpler explanation: It's just a bloody comicbook. |
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Post by Spike-X on Jun 29, 2014 3:49:40 GMT -5
Forget Chris Hemsworth and cast Kermit in the next Avengers movie... This is Most Embarrassing Moments, not Most Awesome Moments. |
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Post by the4thpip on Jun 29, 2014 7:43:25 GMT -5
Doom needs an ape to bring him pudding:  From World War Hulks: Red Hulk #3 |
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