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Post by tingramretro on Sept 29, 2015 12:49:24 GMT -5
The original series, I presume? Most indeed, I'm not even sure I actually read the revival. The original had the charm of a strong boys magazine serial with Sci-Fi and action focus and a slight political subtext. Even if the art wasn't great, it was at least consistent and filled with details. And let's be honest, it kinda was "Rollerball, the comic" which is in itself a great marketing idea. It is. And the killer cyborg didn't hurt, either. You can't go wrong with a killer cyborg.
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Sept 29, 2015 12:54:22 GMT -5
Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Sept 29, 2015 12:54:22 GMT -5
I've never read an issue of 2000 AD. I've read collections of some of the stories. And eventually will get to more. What have you read so far? If one hasn't tried it yet, I strongly recommend that one : It's Wagner at his best (and let's be honest, he IS one of the best writers of the medium, ever), a strong action packed political thriller, which showcases Judges Dredd's world in all its moral ambiguity, following the actions of a political terrorist cell (or is it democracy activist?). Throughout the story, bad and good rapidly become blurry notions, and you get rare citizen insights on how it is to live in a Judges world. It also is Colin McNeil at his top, one of the most singular accomplished voices the title helped bring up. It was published in the very first volume of the Judge Dreed Megazine in 1990.
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Sept 29, 2015 12:58:24 GMT -5
Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Sept 29, 2015 12:58:24 GMT -5
Oh, and isn't it of delightful irony that one of the only titles to ever reach 2000 consecutive issues (in less then a year now) in the same volume will see its very name somewhat become obsolete because of this very achievement?
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Sept 29, 2015 13:04:00 GMT -5
Post by tingramretro on Sept 29, 2015 13:04:00 GMT -5
Oh, and isn't it of delightful irony that one of the only titles to ever reach 2000 consecutive issues (in less then a year now) in the same volume will see its very name somewhat become obsolete because of this very achievement? Some would say its name became obsolete fifteen years ago, but I think even then it was too deeply embedded in the public consciousness for changing it to ever be a serious option.
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Sept 29, 2015 13:52:10 GMT -5
Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 29, 2015 13:52:10 GMT -5
I've never read an issue of 2000 AD. I've read collections of some of the stories. And eventually will get to more. What have you read so far? Ballad of Halo Jones. D. R. & Quinch. Lazarus Churchyard (which I understand appeared somewhere else first). Skizz. I think that's it. I've read a handful of Judge Dredd stories, but can't remember which.
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Sept 29, 2015 14:24:48 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 14:24:48 GMT -5
I sampled some Dredd from Eagle Comics collections when I was in high school but wasn't felling it, I should check some out now since my tastes have changed. I recently read the Robo-Hunter Verdus trade collection which was decent but didn't really wow me, and I have checked out a couple of the FCBD issues of 2000AD that have come out but none inspired me to actually check out the new issues being released.
I think I read an issue or 2 of Halo Jones when i was being collected into comics released here in the US in the 80s/90s but never got to read the whole thing, and tracking down some Slaine (base don Fanboy Stranger's recommendations) has been on my to do list for a while.
If Lazarus Churchyard was a 2000AD strip, then I vaguely remember checking that out in the early 2000s somewhere as well.
But aside from the FCBD samplers, I've never read an actual issues of 2000AD.
I don't think any of the LCS I frequented ever carried it on the shelf (only getting for pull lists and not man of the shops I went to had customers who got it).
-M
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Post by The Cheat on Sept 29, 2015 15:33:10 GMT -5
Saturday morning just isn't the same for me unless I've sat down with a big mug of coffee, a bacon & sausage stottie, and this week's 2000AD. The perfect way to start to the weekend
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Sept 29, 2015 15:44:21 GMT -5
Post by Paste Pot Paul on Sept 29, 2015 15:44:21 GMT -5
I was around when it first came out, I had collected ACTION weekly and was devastated when it went. A close friend at school had the first issue which we devoured and I bought it religiously for the next 10 - 15 years(creating a 4 foot stack amongst my comic collection). The strips I recall most fondly are Strontium Dog, DR and Quinch, and Judge Cal. Never really liked Rogue Trooper, and Slaine was only good now and then. I still don't get why people rave over Halo Jones, even back then I knew it was a rip-off from Joe Haldeman's Forever War. Modern book can be hit or miss for me, though I do try hard to like it. Dredd feels like it treads water now, waiting for the next multi issue saga. Even the modern Strontium Dog stories have been somewhat boring, but the newer strips are a lot better quality. I do like that Savage transcends the awful story it was based on(Invasion), and I do miss a good mfuture sport strip like harlem heroes or Arena, though I wish they would revive Action's Spinball. Now that was a sport.
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Sept 29, 2015 15:49:06 GMT -5
Post by fanboystranger on Sept 29, 2015 15:49:06 GMT -5
I've never read an issue of 2000 AD. I've read collections of some of the stories. And eventually will get to more. What have you read so far? If one hasn't tried it yet, I strongly recommend that one : It's Wagner at his best (and let's be honest, he IS one of the best writers of the medium, ever), a strong action packed political thriller, which showcases Judges Dredd's world in all its moral ambiguity, following the actions of a political terrorist cell (or is it democracy activist?). Throughout the story, bad and good rapidly become blurry notions, and you get rare citizen insights on how it is to live in a Judges world. It also is Colin McNeil at his top, one of the most singular accomplished voices the title helped bring up. It was published in the very first volume of the Judge Dreed Megazine in 1990. America is probably the best of all JD stories, but I think it reads better when you're familiar with the years-long "Democracy" mega-arc that Wagner was playing with. I'd actually recommend The Pit as a better introduction to Wagner's "new" Dredd (as opposed to the earlier, more overtly satirical stories co-written with Alan Grant) as it has all the hallmarks of the series in one storyline that seems somewhat disjointed, but then "The Bongo War" ties everything together so perfectly. Wagner's various returns to the America characters have been very good, too. They've been included in the most recent reprints. Of course, if you're looking for the most essential JD collection, it's gotta be Case Files, vol. 5. Judge Death Returns, Block Mania, and The Apocalypse War all in a row, plus some lesser known gems like "The Hot Dog Run".
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Sept 29, 2015 15:57:34 GMT -5
Post by fanboystranger on Sept 29, 2015 15:57:34 GMT -5
If Lazarus Churchyard was a 2000AD strip, then I vaguely remember checking that out in the early 2000s somewhere as well. -M I believe that Lazarus Churchyard was originally published in A1, not 2000AD. I don't think LC ever appeared in 2000AD, but I might be wrong on that. As far as I know, Ellis only has a very small handful of stories for 2000AD. D'Israeli has been a regular contributor, though.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Sept 29, 2015 16:09:15 GMT -5
Hmmm... The ultimate Judge Dredd story would of course be the Cursed Earth Saga, wouldn't it? Epic, tragic, satirical, action-filled, with great art throughout. But basicaly, there's not that much bad within the Wagner penned stories, if any!
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Sept 29, 2015 16:10:22 GMT -5
Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Sept 29, 2015 16:10:22 GMT -5
If Lazarus Churchyard was a 2000AD strip, then I vaguely remember checking that out in the early 2000s somewhere as well. -M I believe that Lazarus Churchyard was originally published in A1, not 2000AD. I don't think LC ever appeared in 2000AD, but I might be wrong on that. As far as I know, Ellis only has a very small handful of stories for 2000AD. D'Israeli has been a regular contributor, though. Nah, it was first published in Blast magazine, an old early 90ies UK anthology.
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Sept 29, 2015 16:20:56 GMT -5
Post by fanboystranger on Sept 29, 2015 16:20:56 GMT -5
Hmmm... The ultimate Judge Dredd story would of course be the Cursed Earth Saga, wouldn't it? Epic, tragic, satirical, action-filled, with great art throughout. But basicaly, there's not that much bad within the Wagner penned stories, if any! It would certainly be on the shortlist. I'd probably go with Block Mania/Apocalypse War because it has the quintessential Dredd moment. I didn't read it until years later, but I have to imagine that it blew people's minds when it was published back in the day. You weren't getting something like that from Batman. I'd argue that Case Files, vol 2 collects the second most essential year for JD with The Cursed Earth and The Day the Law Died. That's where JD truly became JD.
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Sept 29, 2015 16:31:25 GMT -5
Post by Paste Pot Paul on Sept 29, 2015 16:31:25 GMT -5
They should have made the movie based on the Cursed Earth, an ideal set-up. ...and kept the Burger Wars in too.
I think this is still one of the GREAT Dredd stories, but do like the Judge Cal story that followed as they began to use the humor the strip would become renowned for, and by the time of the Judge Child saga they were firing on all cylinders. That touch of humor was also a trademark of Strontium Dog, and is sorely missing in the modern stories I've read.
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Sept 29, 2015 16:54:46 GMT -5
Post by fanboystranger on Sept 29, 2015 16:54:46 GMT -5
That touch of humor was also a trademark of Strontium Dog, and is sorely missing in the modern stories I've read. "Paxman the Taxman" is a pretty hilarious fairly recent SD story. It's about a relentless, yet very polite civil servant named Paxman hunting down Johnny and Wulf to collect tax on their bounties. As you might expect, all sorts of hyper-violent hijinks ensue. Wulf was usually the source of SD humor. Once he died, a lot of the fun of the book was taken out. Every now and then, you get a crazy funny moment from Middenface or Evans the Fist, but for the most part, the strip became far more series. I think most of the humor these days comes from Kid Knee's jackass son.
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