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Post by gothos on Nov 15, 2015 16:05:05 GMT -5
I think Kirby was past his best by the time he did Captain Victory. I still thought it was OK, but nowhere near the level of his 70s and 60s work. None of the Pacific work is all that great, though still worth a look for fans, I would say. I think Silver Star was probably the one I found most interesting. Haven't read Killjoy but that image or cover looks good - I might seek it out just for the Ditko artwork, as bad as the writing sounds. Man-Wolf was a fun ERB-style planet-romance with great artwork by George Perez, but I think it would have been just as good or better if Jameson had been a regular human rather than a "Man-Wolf". IMO KILLJOY is that rare beast, a well-written Ditko humor strip. Killjoy's raison d'etre is that he goes around outwitting villains in comic ways rather than just beating them up (though he can do that too). And even at that, he remains true to his philosophical tenets: satirizing the alleged romanticism of crime. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Nov 16, 2015 0:40:23 GMT -5
Sonik-Created by Joey Cavilieri & Stan Woch 1st appearance World's Finest Comics (DC) # 310 Dec 1984 Will Parker, an Afro-American returning to the hood after gaining an engineering degree, vows to clean up the gangsters, pimps and players that infest it. (Must have read the adventures of The Falcon,Black Lightning & Luke Cage that preceded him for that piece of inspiration) He applies a Sony Walkman to his belt and uses the power of sound for his weapons and gimmicks. Supes and Bats seemed impressed but obviously not so the readers since he only appeared twice Son Of Satan-Created by Gary Freidrich & Herb Trinpe 1st appearance Ghost Rider (Marvel) # 1 Sept 1973 I give Marvel credit for this audacious and demonic creation. Wish they could have taken it a bit further but they had to play up the fact that Daimon Hellstrom was a good guy born under a bad sign and only wanted to put a halt to Daddy's evil deeds. If only Daimon just wanted to take over the family buiness, it could have been better Squirrel Girl-Created by Steve Ditko & Will Murray 1st appearance Marvel Super-Heroes (Marvel) # 8 Jan 1992 I've only read her Great Lake Avengers and Bendis Avengers' nanny stories but I like this gal. Actually, Jon Morris does too and was looking forward to her 2015 solo title. I will need to check that out. What are the fates of her companions Monkey Joe, Tippy-Toe, Slippy Pete and Nutso?And after the flurry of earlier Squirrel Girl commentary, what more does CCFers have to add?   .png/revision/latest?cb=20130829225817)
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Post by berkley on Nov 16, 2015 2:22:02 GMT -5
Son Of Satan-Created by Gary Freidrich & Herb Trinpe 1st appearance Ghost Rider (Marvel) # 1 Sept 1973 I give Marvel credit for this audacious and demonic creation. Wish they could have taken it a bit further but they had to play up the fact that Daimon Hellstrom was a good guy born under a bad sign and only wanted to put a halt to Daddy's evil deeds. If only Daimon just wanted to take over the family buiness, it could have been better? I haven't read anything later than the 70s Son of Satan, but I think I heard somewhere online once that Marvel did take the character in something like this direction later on (90s or 2000s?) but at the same time they chickened out in another way by changing his father from being explicitly the traditional Satan of Christianity to just one more of several vaguely Satanic MU "dark lords" - e.g. Mefisto, Satannish, Dormammu, Thog, etc. No idea if that's been re-ret-conned back again by now or not. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Nov 16, 2015 15:25:20 GMT -5
The final batch of lovable losers from Jon Morris' book. Remember, he's not disparaging these heroes, he's actually celebrating their off-center uniqueness and believes they all had potential to do better. The only bad characters are the boring characters or the ones that are completely derivative Straw Man nee The Scarecrow-Created by Scott Edelman & Rico Rival 1st appearance Dead Of Night (Marvel) # 11 Aug 1975 A character whose debut was missed by most owning to that appearance coming unheralded in a title that previously was all reprint. None originally as the Scarecrow until it was realized that there was a previous Marvel villain by that name (as well as a Batman Villain). He would pop out of a painting that connected to his home dimension, laughing his head off. He could control birds, the weather and grow new bodies. Pity the owner of that particular painting Super Sons Of Batman and Superman-Created by Bob Haney and Dick Dillin 1st appearance World's Finest (DC) # 215 Jan 1973 Since Bats and Supes were getting on at 35 years old, to many they were considered old-fashioned, square and dull. So identical looking teen characters were made, in the same costumes, with a Jr. added to their names, all while Supes and Bats stayed the same age. Their mystery wives were never revealed. Adventures took place in contemporary 1970s which was confusing too. Bob Haney trotted out some of his trademark "Hip" dialogue left over from his Teen Titans days. In the finale, it was revealed all the teen clones adventures were just a computer simulation. So was the Xerox cash I used to buy these books. Thunderbunny-Created by Martin Greim 1st appearance Charlton Bullseye # 6 Mar 1982 A thankful alien gives Bobby Caswell the usual set of super powers. The drawback being he turns into a man sized pink rabbit in Spandex. If he remains in that form for to long, the change will be permanent. The character might hold a record for different publishers in which he appeared in. Originating in fanzines, he hopped over to Red Circle when Charlton went belly up. Warp Graphics and Apple Comics also provided homes. He teamed up with The Mighty Crusaders and The T.H.U.N.D.E.R. agents. He even teamed up with previously discussed Pat Parker,War Nurse and Magicman
U.S.1-Created by Al Milgrom and Herb Trimpe 1st appearance U.S. 1 (Marvel) #1 May 1983 The comic that was to tie into a line of toy trucks. But the toy line got cancelled leaving the comics to fend for itself. Ulysses Solomon Archer has a metal skull that picks up C.B. broadcasts. I'd go crazy if that was me, good buddy. However Ulysses seems to like it and uses his tech ability to devise a super truck and battle the villains of the road. He even attracts the attention of aliens who convert his rig to a space-faring vehicle and its off to the cosmos for Ulysses. He even takes his favorite truck stop diner with him. Well, kiss my grits     So who got left out? Make your case |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 16, 2015 17:06:09 GMT -5
Son of Satan got a Warren Ellis remake in the.. early 90s? late 80s? I have a couple of the issues. He was definitely an Avenger for a bit, too.
I wonder if the guy that wrote the book looks at it now and wonders either a) why he put Squirrel Girl instead of Big Bertha or b) what the heck people are thinking with all the Squirrel Girl love.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 19:09:37 GMT -5
Squirrel Girl-Created by Steve Ditko & Will Murray 1st appearance Marvel Super-Heroes (Marvel) # 8 Jan 1992 I've only read her Great Lake Avengers and Bendis Avengers' nanny stories but I like this gal. Actually, Jon Morris does too and was looking forward to her 2015 solo title. I will need to check that out. What are the fates of her companions Monkey Joe, Tippy-Toe, Slippy Pete and Nutso?And after the flurry of earlier Squirrel Girl commentary, what more does CCFers have to add? Well, since you asked . . . When she first appeared, back in 1991, Will Murray intended her to be a response to the grim'n'gritty hero types already infesting the marketplace. The Ditko art was kinda cartoony, and Iron Man didn't take Doreen's desire to be a super-hero seriously. (Though she did beat Dr Doom, eh?) A plan to bring her into the New Warriors fell through, and she next appeared in 2005 as part of the Great Lake Avengers. Dan Slott had her break the fourth wall regularly, and used the death of her friend Monkey Joe to comment on the use of death and violence in comics, particularly in Identity Crisis.* And that's how I like the character to be used, as a vehicle for meta-commentary on the genre. (Like when Speedball, a light character, went all dark and gloomy as Penance during Civil War. Squirrel Girl ((who had a crush on Speedball)) went to try to talk some sense into him, and poked holes in all his dark reasoning.) She has been used in the Avengers and currently New Avengers as a regular character, though still with a light air and sense of humor, which is fine. But I like her best as a meta-character. (I did love the bit where she's summoned from a lovely future to kick Deadpool out of her team's headquarters. But I just hate Deadpool.) Her solo series has that same air about it, with cartoony art and asides to the reader and poking fun at super-hero tropes. Plus, running commentary from the writer. It's fun; it is wearing a little thin for me. Too many new characters (Koi Boy? Really?), but it's still worth reading. And that style seems to be catching on; Howard the Duck and the upcoming Patsy Walker series are similar. (Plus, the first issue ((not the current first issue, the first volume's first issue)) ((damned current comic numbering)) had the hottest version of Kraven the Hunter I've ever seen. So, there's that.) Some folk have a problem with her 'unbeatable' reputation. I mean, she's defeated Dr Doom, Modoc, Fin Fang Foom, Thanos (the real Thanos), Ego the Living Planet, Wolverine, Galactus and a host of others. And some folk feel that's unrealistic. A) it doesn't bother me, cause I stopped worrying about strict continuity a while back, and B) the fact that it does bother some people amuses me. *Yes, Monkey Joe died. He's my avatar, by the way. Gone, but not forgotten.    |
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Post by Confessor on Nov 18, 2015 3:24:15 GMT -5
What issue is this page from, jodoc? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 10:55:08 GMT -5
What issue is this page from, jodoc? That's from the Deadpool/GLI Summer Fun Spectacular which also features Deadpool joining the Great Lakes Initiative (formerly Great Lakes Avengers/X-Men/Champions), Squirrel Girl borrowing Dr Doom's time machine, and the scene where she boots Deadpool out of their HQ. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 18, 2015 14:15:07 GMT -5
The final batch of lovable losers from Jon Morris' book. Remember, he's not disparaging these heroes, he's actually celebrating their off-center uniqueness and believes they all had potential to do better. The only bad characters are the boring characters or the ones that are completely derivative Straw Man nee The Scarecrow-Created by Scott Edelman & Rico Rival 1st appearance Dead Of Night (Marvel) # 11 Aug 1975 A character whose debut was missed by most owning to that appearance coming unheralded in a title that previously was all reprint. None originally as the Scarecrow until it was realized that there was a previous Marvel villain by that name (as well as a Batman Villain). He would pop out of a painting that connected to his home dimension, laughing his head off. He could control birds, the weather and grow new bodies. Pity the owner of that particular painting The Scarecrow's first three appearances were just excellent; the guy himself was an enigma but he was apparently immensely powerful (kinda like the Spectre at DC) and his supporting cast was pretty engaging. I loved the concept of the painting as a doorway to our world: it's originally a painting of a demon lord, but there's a Scarecrow painted right over it, blocking the demon both from sight on the painting and from entering the real world. It was the kind of concept that must not be explained; just as the characters were left in the dark regarding the nature of the Scarecrow, the readers were as well. (I hope later appearances didn't explain who he was). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 15:55:03 GMT -5
Thunderbunny-Created by Martin Greim 1st appearance Charlton Bullseye # 6 Mar 1982 A thankful alien gives Bobby Caswell the usual set of super powers. The drawback being he turns into a man sized pink rabbit in Spandex. If he remains in that form for to long, the change will be permanent. The character might hold a record for different publishers in which he appeared in. Originating in fanzines, he hopped over to Red Circle when Charlton went belly up. Warp Graphics and Apple Comics also provided homes. He teamed up with The Mighty Crusaders and The T.H.U.N.D.E.R. agents. He even teamed up with previously discussed Pat Parker,War Nurse and Magicman
I have never, ever heard of this character in my lifetime and I was chuckling when I saw this cover Ish and I was surprised to see this character to team up with The T.H.U.N.D.E.R. agents and having said that this is regrettable as you come. This thread is getting more interesting as I read it. |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Nov 18, 2015 17:13:24 GMT -5
Thunderbunny-Created by Martin Greim 1st appearance Charlton Bullseye # 6 Mar 1982 A thankful alien gives Bobby Caswell the usual set of super powers. The drawback being he turns into a man sized pink rabbit in Spandex. If he remains in that form for to long, the change will be permanent. The character might hold a record for different publishers in which he appeared in. Originating in fanzines, he hopped over to Red Circle when Charlton went belly up. Warp Graphics and Apple Comics also provided homes. He teamed up with The Mighty Crusaders and The T.H.U.N.D.E.R. agents. He even teamed up with previously discussed Pat Parker,War Nurse and Magicman
I have never, ever heard of this character in my lifetime and I was chuckling when I saw this cover Ish and I was surprised to see this character to team up with The T.H.U.N.D.E.R. agents and having said that this is regrettable as you come. This thread is getting more interesting as I read it. The Thunder Bunny/T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents teaming came during the period where the Agents were thought to be in public domain and a bunch of publishers used them for an issue each (excepting Deluxe Comics that put out 5 issues). |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 18, 2015 18:57:12 GMT -5
The final batch of lovable losers from Jon Morris' book. Remember, he's not disparaging these heroes, he's actually celebrating their off-center uniqueness and believes they all had potential to do better. The only bad characters are the boring characters or the ones that are completely derivative Straw Man nee The Scarecrow-Created by Scott Edelman & Rico Rival 1st appearance Dead Of Night (Marvel) # 11 Aug 1975 A character whose debut was missed by most owning to that appearance coming unheralded in a title that previously was all reprint. None originally as the Scarecrow until it was realized that there was a previous Marvel villain by that name (as well as a Batman Villain). He would pop out of a painting that connected to his home dimension, laughing his head off. He could control birds, the weather and grow new bodies. Pity the owner of that particular painting The Scarecrow's first three appearances were just excellent; the guy himself was an enigma but he was apparently immensely powerful (kinda like the Spectre at DC) and his supporting cast was pretty engaging. I loved the concept of the painting as a doorway to our world: it's originally a painting of a demon lord, but there's a Scarecrow painted right over it, blocking the demon both from sight on the painting and from entering the real world. It was the kind of concept that must not be explained; just as the characters were left in the dark regarding the nature of the Scarecrow, the readers were as well. (I hope later appearances didn't explain who he was). I think I've only read two of 'em, but agreed - Legitimately one of my favorite Marvel books of the decade. And as much as I like Team-Up books, the coda in Marvel-Two-In-One was painfully terrible. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 18, 2015 21:15:31 GMT -5
The Scarecrow's first three appearances were just excellent; the guy himself was an enigma but he was apparently immensely powerful (kinda like the Spectre at DC) and his supporting cast was pretty engaging. I loved the concept of the painting as a doorway to our world: it's originally a painting of a demon lord, but there's a Scarecrow painted right over it, blocking the demon both from sight on the painting and from entering the real world. It was the kind of concept that must not be explained; just as the characters were left in the dark regarding the nature of the Scarecrow, the readers were as well. (I hope later appearances didn't explain who he was). I think I've only read two of 'em, but agreed - Legitimately one of my favorite Marvel books of the decade. And as much as I like Team-Up books, the coda in Marvel-Two-In-One was painfully terrible. Oh... Now that you mention it I seem to remember that MtiO issue (I think it was reprinted in the second Marvel Horror essential...) It's vague but I seem to remember that they did to the Scarecrow what they did to Skull the slayer: put an unsatisfying end to a short-lived series. I'll look it up tonight, just out of sheer self-hatred. (And you're right, there were only two appearances of the Scarecrow in Dead of Night and Marvel spotlight, not three as I misremembered). *edit* Just re-read it... Definitely not as good as the first two stories, but at least the Scarecrow wasn't given an origin and the supporting cast wasn't all wiped out. The painting was just burned, thus keeping the demon lord away (premusably) for good. |
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Post by berkley on Nov 19, 2015 0:06:55 GMT -5
Son of Satan got a Warren Ellis remake in the.. early 90s? late 80s? I have a couple of the issues. He was definitely an Avenger for a bit, too. I wonder if the guy that wrote the book looks at it now and wonders either a) why he put Squirrel Girl instead of Big Bertha or b) what the heck people are thinking with all the Squirrel Girl love. Don't get the Squirrel Girl love myself. Maybe it's one of those "you had to be there" things, but I just don't see anything funny or in any way interesting about the character. |
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Post by electricmastro on May 19, 2020 21:56:30 GMT -5
After reading about the propeller beanie, I had to check out Bozo -   Notice that he's called the 'Iron Man' in both of these. Looks like they used both Iron Man and Robot to refer to him back in the day. Yeah, and similar with Tony Stark, Hugh Hazzard would sometimes get inside him and control him from the inside, though I’m still unsure if Bozo himself has sentient free will, as he seemed to have sometimes, or if Hugh Hazzard was effectively just Bozo’s “real identity.” In any case, I’d say he was still a pretty competent fighter though, which is what probably matters the most in saving the day after all (Smash Comics #10, May 1940).  |
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