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Post by mikelmidnight on May 20, 2020 11:39:33 GMT -5
And the Twelve basically took everything worthwhile or cool about the characters in order to square peg them into shitty Watchmen fanfiction. But, yeah, I freakin' love the Golden Age appearances of both. Not a fan of the Watchmen approach, then?
I have no problem with the Watchmen-style deconstruction; this was simply done terribly badly. All the characters were deconstructed in more or less the same way. And there wasn't much action to focus on characterization ... but ... there wasn't actually that much characterization. Honestly, Steve Englehart would have taken this group in the 70s, had the same amount of character development this series had, in three issues while at the same time the team would have defeated Zarrko the Tomorrow Man and the Stone Men of Saturn.
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Post by mikelmidnight on May 20, 2020 11:41:48 GMT -5
Super Sons Of Batman and Superman-Created by Bob Haney and Dick Dillin 1st appearance World's Finest (DC) # 215 Jan 1973 Since Bats and Supes were getting on at 35 years old, to many they were considered old-fashioned, square and dull. So identical looking teen characters were made, in the same costumes, with a Jr. added to their names, all while Supes and Bats stayed the same age. Their mystery wives were never revealed. Adventures took place in contemporary 1970s which was confusing too. Bob Haney trotted out some of his trademark "Hip" dialogue left over from his Teen Titans days. In the finale, it was revealed all the teen clones adventures were just a computer simulation. So was the Xerox cash I used to buy these books.
I may be wrong, but I believe the "finale" was actually done quite a few years after the series had ended. At the time, DC's official stance was that these were, in fact, currently taking place in current continuity, despite the complete incomprehensibility of that decision. Mark Guenwald wrote an extensive essay placing them on an alternate Earth-E.
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Post by mikelmidnight on May 20, 2020 11:44:12 GMT -5
I have never, ever heard of this character in my lifetime and I was chuckling when I saw this cover Ish and I was surprised to see this character to team up with The T.H.U.N.D.E.R. agents and having said that this is regrettable as you come. This thread is getting more interesting as I read it.
Thunderbunny is a great character! His appearances were sporadic and I'd certainly buy a complete collection.
One of my problem with the book is that he mixes characters who are comedic, characters who are genuinely ill-conceived, and characters who are simply quaint, all together and calls them 'regrettable,' but they're completely different categories of character.
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Post by electricmastro on May 20, 2020 12:44:00 GMT -5
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Post by dbutler69 on May 20, 2020 13:07:53 GMT -5
The League Of Regrettable Super Heroes by Jon Morris (2013) looks to be a fun book delineating about 100 superheroes from the Golden Age to modern times that were wonky, weird, forgotten, intriguing and not inherently bad but strange. I'll give you a rundown of what he chose. Feel free to post pictures of the heroes mentioned and any knowledge you might want to share We'll start with the golden age first and they are in alphabetical order 711 by George Brenner. First appearance Police Comics (Quality) #1 Attorney Daniel Dyce is mistakenly sentenced to jail. He breaks out each night , dons a costume,fights crime,and then goes back to his jail cell. 711 is his prison number and while in jail he can hear criminals gossip Amazing-Man by Bill Everett First appearance Amazing-Man Comics (Centaur) #1. Wears suspenders to hold up his shorts. Bites a snake while tied up on his first cover. Attends a lamasery to train for his "ultra manhood". Partnered with Tommy-The Amazing Kid. Fell into public domain and has been revived as a black man in All-Star Squadron, Project Superheroes and Malibu's The Protectors Atoman by Ken Crossen and Jerry Robinson First appearance Atoman (Spark) #1. Barry Dale can do just about everything-atomic strength that can wipe out cities, atomic vision, flight, super-speed and atomic vision that can explode atoms. The Black Dwarf by Paul Gattuso First appearance Spotlight Comics (Harry Chesler Pub) #1 "Shorty Wilson is about 5 foot three and a professional sportsman (  ). He dons a gaucho hat and black robes. He has a team of partners, like the Shadow, to help him. He has no problem killing any evildoer he comes up against. Great dialogue like "Take a bite of knuckle pie" The Bouncer by Robert Kanigher & Louis Ferstadt First Appearance Bouncer (Fox Features) unnumbered. Wears a purple toga and sandals. A sculptor in civilian life, he can bounce like a rubber ball. A descendant of a greek god Hey, cool. I just read Police Comics #1 and read the 711 story! Certainly an interesting concept. |
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Post by electricmastro on May 20, 2020 18:24:28 GMT -5
I never heard of the Mad Hatter! ... He's certainly very goofy looking and an ill-fitting costume I may add here. He was also made joke in a more less Spider-Man sort of way too, and was one of several heroes to headline their own comics, but didn’t quite take off.      |
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Post by rberman on May 21, 2020 6:49:40 GMT -5
Squirrel Girl-Created by Steve Ditko & Will Murray 1st appearance Marvel Super-Heroes (Marvel) # 8 Jan 1992 I've only read her Great Lake Avengers and Bendis Avengers' nanny stories but I like this gal. Actually, Jon Morris does too and was looking forward to her 2015 solo title. I will need to check that out. What are the fates of her companions Monkey Joe, Tippy-Toe, Slippy Pete and Nutso?And after the flurry of earlier Squirrel Girl commentary, what more does CCFers have to add? Well, since you asked . . . When she first appeared, back in 1991, Will Murray intended her to be a response to the grim'n'gritty hero types already infesting the marketplace. The Ditko art was kinda cartoony, and Iron Man didn't take Doreen's desire to be a super-hero seriously. (Though she did beat Dr Doom, eh?) A plan to bring her into the New Warriors fell through, and she next appeared in 2005 as part of the Great Lake Avengers. Dan Slott had her break the fourth wall regularly, and used the death of her friend Monkey Joe to comment on the use of death and violence in comics, particularly in Identity Crisis.* And that's how I like the character to be used, as a vehicle for meta-commentary on the genre. (Like when Speedball, a light character, went all dark and gloomy as Penance during Civil War. Squirrel Girl ((who had a crush on Speedball)) went to try to talk some sense into him, and poked holes in all his dark reasoning.) She has been used in the Avengers and currently New Avengers as a regular character, though still with a light air and sense of humor, which is fine. But I like her best as a meta-character. (I did love the bit where she's summoned from a lovely future to kick Deadpool out of her team's headquarters. But I just hate Deadpool.) Her solo series has that same air about it, with cartoony art and asides to the reader and poking fun at super-hero tropes. Plus, running commentary from the writer. It's fun; it is wearing a little thin for me. Too many new characters (Koi Boy? Really?), but it's still worth reading. And that style seems to be catching on; Howard the Duck and the upcoming Patsy Walker series are similar. (Plus, the first issue ((not the current first issue, the first volume's first issue)) ((damned current comic numbering)) had the hottest version of Kraven the Hunter I've ever seen. So, there's that.) Some folk have a problem with her 'unbeatable' reputation. I mean, she's defeated Dr Doom, Modoc, Fin Fang Foom, Thanos (the real Thanos), Ego the Living Planet, Wolverine, Galactus and a host of others. And some folk feel that's unrealistic. A) it doesn't bother me, cause I stopped worrying about strict continuity a while back, and B) the fact that it does bother some people amuses me. *Yes, Monkey Joe died. He's my avatar, by the way. Gone, but not forgotten.    I’m a big fan of the North/Henderson Squirrel Girl work but haven’t seen any of this Slott material. Maybe it s collected somewhere. Which deleted user wrote the post above? MechaGodzilla? |
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Post by Jeddak on May 21, 2020 9:37:13 GMT -5
Nope, that was me, back in my Jodoc days.
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Post by Jeddak on May 21, 2020 9:41:25 GMT -5
And there's a trade paperback called Squirrel Girl and the Great Lakes Avengers that collects most of the earlier stories.
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). He dons a gaucho hat and black robes. He has a team of partners, like the Shadow, to help him. He has no problem killing any evildoer he comes up against. Great dialogue like "Take a bite of knuckle pie"
