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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 5, 2015 18:36:29 GMT -5
The way I see it DC's problem since well before the reboot is that the editors that came in in the 2000s don't think like editors or writers. Didio particularly is a marketing person who has no skill in any other area. This focus on marketing over storytelling is what lead to Identity Crisis, the killing of Stephanie Brown and Jack Drake, the erasure of Linda Danvers, making the heroes hate each other, Amazons Attack, Countdown to Final Crisis, ect. Because the reboot wasn't accompanied by a significant change in who the editors are we ended up with idiocy like having 4 Robins in 5 years, making Barbara Batgirl again while keeping The Killing Joke as her defining story, forcing BQM to use an 'iconic' character in Smallville of all places instead of the character he wrote, the editors not caring about keeping the person writing Superman informed because who cares about that when Grant Morrison is on the other Superman book, ect.
As an idea I like Truth. The execution hasn't been there. I think Superman needs an Eternal-type story to focus on Superman's supporting cast, bring back some of the characters that have been lost since the triangle era, and reestablish Superman as someone who inspires others, including other heroes.
Not reading Batman anymore except for where Stephanie Brown appears. I'm buying Scooby Doo Team-Up! But as I said I just read a lot of New 52 stuff, and there's a lot of ok-but-not-great. The line feels really editorially driven and not in a particularly interesting way. And I do hope they keep Batgirling around and lighten up a little bit! Conversely, I'm really happy with Marvel's line right now! I don't care much for the big X-men/Avengers/Spider-man lines, but there are a good slate of smaller, creator driven books that are absolutely hitting my sweet spot. (Ms. Marvel, Hawkeye, Squirrel Girl, Silver Surfer...) |
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Post by Action Ace on Nov 5, 2015 19:29:50 GMT -5
I'd buy Scooby-Doo Team Up, if I liked Scooby-Doo more.
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Post by Action Ace on Nov 5, 2015 20:17:39 GMT -5
For me, 2015 will go down as the worst year for DC Comics since the early 2000s, right before Dan Didio took over. My two favorite titles are Justice League where Geoff Johns is ignoring what's going on in the rest of the DCU and Hitch's Justice League of America which is doing the same. My DC pull list for January currently only has 26 DC titles on it. That is the lowest total in a normal month since January 2003. Even worse, many of those are on shaky ground. Hopefully, things will look better when the #50 issues roll around. Robobat just needs to be waited out, Geoff Johns is rumored to be on his way to save Aquaman and hopefully Green Lantern will be back to normal soon. The idiocy in Superman may require Patrick Duffy showing up in Lois Lane's shower.
DC is out of options to dig out of its hole. Rebooting won't work again, massive status quo changes for the World's Finest didn't work, Convergence broke the collecting habit for two months, DC You was a commercial disaster for the most part, new readers aren't coming and they can't put out 5-7 Harry Potter comics a month to fight Star Wars. All they have are variant covers, the Batline and a few special minis like Dark Knight III and Sandman: Overture to cover up the rot.
DC probably isn't in as bad a position as it was in the late 1970s before New Teen Titans saved the company, but it's on the way there.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 5, 2015 23:46:24 GMT -5
For me, 2015 will go down as the worst year for DC Comics since the early 2000s, right before Dan Didio took over. My two favorite titles are Justice League where Geoff Johns is ignoring what's going on in the rest of the DCU and Hitch's Justice League of America which is doing the same. My DC pull list for January currently only has 26 DC titles on it. That is the lowest total in a normal month since January 2003. Even worse, many of those are on shaky ground. Hopefully, things will look better when the #50 issues roll around. Robobat just needs to be waited out, Geoff Johns is rumored to be on his way to save Aquaman and hopefully Green Lantern will be back to normal soon. The idiocy in Superman may require Patrick Duffy showing up in Lois Lane's shower. DC is out of options to dig out of its hole. Rebooting won't work again, massive status quo changes for the World's Finest didn't work, Convergence broke the collecting habit for two months, DC You was a commercial disaster for the most part, new readers aren't coming and they can't put out 5-7 Harry Potter comics a month to fight Star Wars. All they have are variant covers, the Batline and a few special minis like Dark Knight III and Sandman: Overture to cover up the rot. DC probably isn't in as bad a position as it was in the late 1970s before New Teen Titans saved the company, but it's on the way there. I have been buying the Hitch book and didn't realize that there was another JLA book on the stands. I'm okay with books ignoring continuity , especially DC books. I really haven't followed them much since Nu52. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 14:08:44 GMT -5
I genuinely can't remember the last time DC published anything that was in the least bit appealing to me* - I've dipped into them sporadically over the years, but if their business plan isn't actually to build their line and each series around things I'll hate, it's a damn close match.
(* it might be as far back as the pre-reboot Legion. No, not that reboot, the one before that. No, you're not going back far enough, that one only wrecked continuity it didn't completely invalidate everything I'd ever read, I mean the reboot before that one. You may well see the problem I have with DC...)
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Post by dupersuper on Nov 6, 2015 14:42:58 GMT -5
I'm enjoying the current Superman story. Complaints about it remind me of complaints about the electric blue costume era, or even the death back in the day: it's just a story line, it'll be over in a few months.
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Post by Randle-El on Nov 6, 2015 18:02:13 GMT -5
I'm enjoying the current Superman story. Complaints about it remind me of complaints about the electric blue costume era, or even the death back in the day: it's just a story line, it'll be over in a few months. That is generally my line of thinking whenever superhero comics have a story that pretends to shake-up the status quo -- character death, quitting/retiring, losing powers, body swap, etc. etc. We all know it's not going to stick, so there's no point in getting too worked up about it. In the meantime, the temporary change in status quo can be used to explore some entertaining scenarios that might make for some good stories. I enjoyed the Superior Spider-Man run, and Greg Pak's depowered Superman has been entertaining as well. On the other hand, Gene Luen Yang's Superman and Snyder's Batman replacement haven't been doing it for me. I've been following Snyder's run since the beginning, so I'm tempted to keep it on my pull for whenever he decides to bring Bruce Wayne back, but I'd also like to know if that's going to be sooner than later. If he's going to stretch this out for a while then I may just drop it now. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 9:21:11 GMT -5
Right Now
Batman 66
I'm very, very unhappy that I found out that December 2015 is the last issue of this series.
My Favorite DC Book.
Wonder Woman 77
Sensation Comics
Superman: Lois and Clark
Titans Hunt
All others - I have very little interest in them. I used to be a fan of Earth 2 and Earth 2 Society - I lost interest in those books as well. Superman Wonder Woman, Batman Superman, Martian Manhunter, and any others that I used to read - not anymore. DC is not going the right direction and it's aiming towards the youth and I'm simply lost interest in them. I'm thinking of dropping Sensation Comics because the art is gradually going downhill.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 23, 2015 17:25:23 GMT -5
On an even more current look I've really liked the first few issues of Titans Hunt and Lois and Clark had a great start too so their post convergence direction has been pretty good.
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Post by Action Ace on Nov 23, 2015 19:13:30 GMT -5
Right NowBatman 66I'm very, very unhappy that I found out that December 2015 is the last issue of this series. My Favorite DC Book. Wonder Woman 77Sensation ComicsSuperman: Lois and ClarkTitans HuntAll others - I have very little interest in them. I used to be a fan of Earth 2 and Earth 2 Society - I lost interest in those books as well. Superman Wonder Woman, Batman Superman, Martian Manhunter, and any others that I used to read - not anymore. DC is not going the right direction and it's aiming towards the youth and I'm simply lost interest in them. I'm thinking of dropping Sensation Comics because the art is gradually going downhill. The December 2015 issue of Sensation Comics is the last one. With all the money you're saving, think of the back issues you can buy!  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 19:25:06 GMT -5
Right NowBatman 66I'm very, very unhappy that I found out that December 2015 is the last issue of this series. My Favorite DC Book. Wonder Woman 77Sensation ComicsSuperman: Lois and ClarkTitans HuntAll others - I have very little interest in them. I used to be a fan of Earth 2 and Earth 2 Society - I lost interest in those books as well. Superman Wonder Woman, Batman Superman, Martian Manhunter, and any others that I used to read - not anymore. DC is not going the right direction and it's aiming towards the youth and I'm simply lost interest in them. I'm thinking of dropping Sensation Comics because the art is gradually going downhill. The December 2015 issue of Sensation Comics is the last one. With all the money you're saving, think of the back issues you can buy! I did not know that December 2015 is the last issue of Sensation Comics and I've might well get the whole series in print and I also have the whole series in print the Batman 66 as well. Thanks for info. Looks like my only DC Books that I get on the regular basis is Wonder Woman 77, Superman: Lois and Clark, and Titans Hunt. And, forget the rest. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 19:34:01 GMT -5
Batman and Detective, with the move to Gordon as RoboBat is just horrendous, so Ive got rid of those and refuse to read anymore of that rubbish til Bruce(or even Dick) is back in the suit. At least the New 52 Bat was pretty much the same as always, but this crap reeks. I'm rolling with it, it can't get any worse than Doc Ock in Spidey's body. I didn't mind the Azrael stint in the batsuit either. Mind you, I've been with Batman New 52 since issue #1 and like Snyder's work. |
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Nov 23, 2015 20:04:04 GMT -5
Batman and Detective, with the move to Gordon as RoboBat is just horrendous, so Ive got rid of those and refuse to read anymore of that rubbish til Bruce(or even Dick) is back in the suit. At least the New 52 Bat was pretty much the same as always, but this crap reeks. I'm rolling with it, it can't get any worse than Doc Ock in Spidey's body. I didn't mind the Azrael stint in the batsuit either. Mind you, I've been with Batman New 52 since issue #1 and like Snyder's work. I don't mind Snyder's Batman at all Jez, just this storyline (well Batman in general since Knightfall but that's another bitch session altogether). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 3:54:00 GMT -5
I'm rolling with it, it can't get any worse than Doc Ock in Spidey's body. You didn't like that? I thought that was some of the best Spider-Man comics for years |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 8:17:38 GMT -5
You didn't like that? I thought that was some of the best Spider-Man comics for years Not dislike it per se, but one could never really 'buy' Doc Ock as Spidey when you know Peter would be back.  I'm wondering if Superior Spider-Man will stand the test of time as one of the best storylines? I know lots of readers were upset with #700. But not to digress from the thread...back to DC... |
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I'm wondering if Superior Spider-Man will stand the test of time as one of the best storylines? I know lots of readers were upset with #700.