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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 29, 2015 12:00:28 GMT -5
Ben Grimm and Doom are the only things remotely intetesting about the FF... Early Reed Richards was interesting too. The weak link was always Johnny Storm.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 12:06:01 GMT -5
I did not know/think about "making love to" having a different meaning, but I should have because that makes sense. I still find WW's comment odd/funny.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 29, 2015 12:27:42 GMT -5
Thanks for the warning (not that I intended to watch them anyway). However, even after saying that, I still read comics where there is quite a bit of sexism. Especially golden age Wonder Woman. I read it, though, with fascination at how far we have come (and a reminder of how far we have left to go). I mean, this slays me: There is at least two WTFs there. The 1940s definition of 'making love' always threw me if it ever came up in a comic or movie when I was younger. Guns used to go "Bang! Bang! Bang!" too.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 29, 2015 13:09:41 GMT -5
I've always considered from other contexts that "making love" is something emotional and gentle. Not that two people that are in love can't do the four letter word. I think Steve's use of "making love" when it was his duty seems backwards. Apparently Air Supply isn't the only one familiar with making love out of nothing at all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 13:16:26 GMT -5
The 1940s definition of 'making love' always threw me if it ever came up in a comic or movie when I was younger. Guns used to go "Bang! Bang! Bang!" too. I DID know this!
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Post by gothos on Nov 29, 2015 14:03:56 GMT -5
I have a very hard time watching some of the older Bond films because of the sexism. From Russia with Love I can't sit through at all. Yes, pretty much every Bond film is going to be somewhat sexist, but watching Bond make a woman fall in love with him by beating her up is too much for me. I do really like Dr. No, Goldeneye, and the Craig movies. I reread the novel a couple of years ago and don't even remember the scene you describe. We're talking about the Russian agent Tatiana, right? I guess there might be a brief scene where he slaps her to get info, thinking that she's affiliated with the assassin on board. As I recall she doesn't know about the impending assassination attempt, but she is a Russian agent who's trying to set Bond up in a compromising position, the better to embarrass England. Bond's action might not be cricket, but she's not precisely innocent of wrongdoing.
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Post by chadwilliam on Nov 29, 2015 14:23:24 GMT -5
watching Bond make a woman fall in love with him by beating her up is too much for me.
This coupled with Sean Connery's vicious attitudes as to how women should be treated - "There are women who take it to the wire. That's what they are looking for, the ultimate confrontation. They want a smack" and "I don't think there is anything particularly wrong in hitting a woman" - makes anything with this scumbag in it unwatchable to me. I think Alan Moore really nailed what Sean Connery would be like as Bond in his third League of Extraordinary Gentlemen segment and it isn't pretty.
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 29, 2015 16:07:20 GMT -5
I've always considered from other contexts that "making love" is something emotional and gentle. Not that two people that are in love can't do the four letter word. I think Steve's use of "making love" when it was his duty seems backwards. Apparently Air Supply isn't the only one familiar with making love out of nothing at all. Agree with your connotation, adam. Also, just found these notes re the idiom "making love:" The OED's first recorded use of "to make love" in the modern sense is: "1950 M. PEAKE Gormenghast xxix. 173 One of the Carvers made love to her and she had a baby." (The OED's next quotation in that sense of the phrase is from 1967, by which time, it seems, the current meaning was fairly well-established, as reflected by the popular slogan, "Make love, not war.") The New Fowler's Modern English Usage states that: "From its earliest use in the 16c. the phrase to make love (often followed by to) meant simply 'to pay amorous attention (to)'. At some point in the mid-20c. it came to have only the restricted and very precise meaning 'to have sexual intercourse (with)', and the older meaning was forced out."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 16:15:56 GMT -5
I am always happy to post something that is of enough interest to make people do work.
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Post by Action Ace on Nov 29, 2015 19:46:16 GMT -5
Ben Grimm and Doom are the only things remotely intetesting about the FF... Early Reed Richards was interesting too. The weak link was always Johnny Storm. My preference among "The Four" 1. Human Torch 2. Mr. Fantastic 3. Invisible Girl 4. Thing
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Post by chadwilliam on Nov 30, 2015 21:50:25 GMT -5
I've always considered from other contexts that "making love" is something emotional and gentle. Not that two people that are in love can't do the four letter word. I think Steve's use of "making love" when it was his duty seems backwards. Apparently Air Supply isn't the only one familiar with making love out of nothing at all. Agree with your connotation, adam. Also, just found these notes re the idiom "making love:" The OED's first recorded use of "to make love" in the modern sense is: "1950 M. PEAKE Gormenghast xxix. 173 One of the Carvers made love to her and she had a baby." (The OED's next quotation in that sense of the phrase is from 1967, by which time, it seems, the current meaning was fairly well-established, as reflected by the popular slogan, "Make love, not war.") The New Fowler's Modern English Usage states that: "From its earliest use in the 16c. the phrase to make love (often followed by to) meant simply 'to pay amorous attention (to)'. At some point in the mid-20c. it came to have only the restricted and very precise meaning 'to have sexual intercourse (with)', and the older meaning was forced out."
Makes sense - now, does anyone have any idea what "Peter Parker is the only boy I've met who hasn't given me a tumble" refers to?
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 30, 2015 22:16:45 GMT -5
Re Peter Parker and (I'm assuming) Gwen.
No sexual act implied there. to give someone a tumble simply meant to notice someone's existence, to acknowledge someone, as in asking someone to dance.
The original meaning of he root word of "tumble" is to dance, to reel. "Tomber" s French for "to fall," so I wonder if the idiom "falling in love" is derived from the idea of reeling or tumbling into love.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 22:26:37 GMT -5
Re Peter Parker and (I'm assuming) Gwen. Yeah it's Gwen from Amazing Spidey #31 I think.
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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 30, 2015 23:02:51 GMT -5
I love mean, conceited Ditko Gwen Stacy. She was so cool! I like the Romita version too, but oh those Ditko issues!
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Post by berkley on Dec 1, 2015 4:31:50 GMT -5
I thought I'd read all the Ditko Spider-Man but I don't remember this version of Gwen Stacy at all.
the Bond question probably does deserve its own thread - as do many of the other subjects that have been raised here - but I'll just say here that it's entirely possible that my view is distorted by having read them in the late 70s. I don't remember Bond beating up women in the books or the movies.
Is it possible that some confusion has arisen between the fictional character and those notorious statements by Connery? Speaking of which, those quotes are so outrageous that I've always wondered if it was a matter of an old man being manipulated into saying something stupid. Does he have a history of violence against women that he was trying to justify? If so, yes, I doubt I'll ever be able to watch any of his movies ever again.
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