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Post by Rob Allen on Nov 23, 2015 18:17:14 GMT -5
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Post by Confessor on Nov 24, 2015 3:27:40 GMT -5
It was supposed to be intentionally tongue-in-cheek though. Didn't the over the top, laughably obvious ejaculation symbolism of the jet of fire spewing out of the Owlship as the pair reached climax raise a laugh from you? Or even a wry smile? I you're talking about the comic panel, I found it to be an elegant metaphor. The movie sequence actually made me feel embarrassed. Other things I didn't like were: the version of Ozymandias they showed, and the addition of action scenes, just for the sake of it. No, I was just talking about the movie version of that scene. I think it was supposed to be OTT. I found it humourous, rather than cringeworthy.
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 24, 2015 3:33:05 GMT -5
But it's not a particularly good film Ah, well. I think it is.
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Post by Ozymandias on Nov 25, 2015 13:06:15 GMT -5
I you're talking about the comic panel, I found it to be an elegant metaphor. The movie sequence actually made me feel embarrassed. No, I was just talking about the movie version of that scene. I think it was supposed to be OTT. I found it humourous, rather than cringeworthy. In that case, the answer is "no", I was too busy trying to hide under my seat, to even contemplate smiling. As someone's mentioned before, the song choice for that scene was appalling. I don't know what exactly Zack was trying to convey here, but my best guess would be that he was mocking the aforementioned metaphor. I could be wrong.
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 25, 2015 13:43:22 GMT -5
I really don't think that's fair. I can't honestly see how anyone could ever really have done Watchmen justice in a movie, but this was a pretty good attempt, and far from "facile". As for Zack Snyder, this is the only movie of his that I've ever seen so it's the only one I can judge him on, but I'd say he did a good job. Yeah, I agree. I think that, while it's inferior to the book (of course!), the Watchmen movie was better than we had any right to expect a Hollywood adaptation of the book to be. Facile's not a word that I would have chosen to describe it either, I must say. the whole sex scene between Night Owl and Silk Spectre with "Hallelujah" playing in the background is some of the most awkward, cringeworthy crap I've ever witnessed in a movie. It was supposed to be intentionally tongue-in-cheek though. Didn't the over the top, laughably obvious ejaculation symbolism of the jet of fire spewing out of the Owlship as the pair reached climax raise a laugh from you? Or even a wry smile? Nope I rolled my eyes so hard they damn near popped out of their sockets
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Post by Confessor on Nov 25, 2015 15:48:16 GMT -5
In that case, the answer is "no", I was too busy trying to hide under my seat, to even contemplate smiling. Nope I rolled my eyes so hard they damn near popped out of their sockets Damn. Tough crowd.
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Post by Ozymandias on Nov 25, 2015 15:55:21 GMT -5
Damn. Tough crowd. Another interpretation would be, that Snyder saw the comic sequence as being funny, and just added a soundtrack in accordance. The embarrassment would come then, from reading the comic under a totally different light.
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Post by berkley on Nov 25, 2015 18:31:37 GMT -5
Thanks, I will make use of one or both of those next time I read the book.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 25, 2015 20:21:25 GMT -5
So a 9.0465 on average. Glad we solved that.
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Post by Ozymandias on Mar 8, 2016 4:59:09 GMT -5
I recently watched the movie, and I must say it keeps getting worse. I guess I was originally so thrilled about it just being filmed, I couldn't help feeling generous.
The soundtrack is badly chosen, most times the songs don't add to the narrative, and in some instances (as mentioned, but not just then) get in the way. Right from the onset, I got disturbed with Cole's Unforgettable, playing in the background, for the Comedian's murder. A sequence that was further ruined with the fight sequence and Blake's parting words (plus that uncalled for, smile).
Alongside this problem, there's another question that crops out trough the entirety of the film: an excessive amount of action. In the comic, Moore chose to keep violence and overall super-heroics to a minimum, but Snider overrules this decision by inflating, exaggerating, extending or merely fabricating, action sequences.
There's the issue then, of endings and beginnings. We already covered the change in Ozymandia's plan, but I forgot a corollary: The Comedian's visit to Edgar William Jacobi. In the comic, this is motivated by Blake's accidental discovery of an uncharted island with suspicious activity, but in the movie the island isn't used, and so, a different explanation is given, Nixon ordered him to spy on the other watchmen. This isn't nearly as powerful, and doesn't explain neither why he'd crack nor why he'd keep silent. As for beginnings, I'm talking about the psychological genesis of costumed crime fighters. In the comic, this is a fundamental piece, into which Moore put obviously a lot of thought. His solution for explaining a human behavior that doesn't exist was quite crafty, he gave characters as much depth as he could, including physiological reports and quotes from fictional books, but in reality, he only explained the behavior of people acting vicariously, the real problem, the first person to put on the mask, is shrouded in mystery. And this is the brilliant trick, Snyder misses, by parading Hooded Justice as just another vigilante, and giving an alternate, much weaker explanation, for the existence of masked adventurers.
Other minor problems are: the transition to the animated scenes from Tales of the Black Freighter, the Miller inspired TV use, Nixon, Ozymandias' penitence, the way Laurie finds out about her father…
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 8:52:45 GMT -5
I didn't even finish the book because I thought it was lame. I don't understand all the acclaim it receives. "Greatest comic ever, except this part, and this part, and this part. 10/10, will never read again."
Was it better than a lot of monthly in continuity super hero stuff? Sure. Is that saying much? No. Are there better comics? I could never in this lifetime list them all.
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Post by String on Mar 8, 2016 11:20:00 GMT -5
I'd give it a 9. I find something new about it every time I read it. Plus, I think Ozy's scene of 'I did it 15 minutes ago' to be one of the best single scenes ever in comics.
As for the film, the biggest fault I see with it is that you really need to have read the book before watching it. It's one of the few films that I can think of where the source material actually helps you fill in the blanks of the Hollywood makeover and allows you to better follow the actions and drama.
For example, when I first watched it, my wife was watching it too and she has never read the book. Halfway through the film, she looks at me with a bored expression and asks,"What is this film about?"
Says it all, I think.
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Post by tingramretro on Mar 8, 2016 11:26:04 GMT -5
I'd give it a 9. I find something new about it every time I read it. Plus, I think Ozy's scene of 'I did it 15 minutes ago' to be one of the best single scenes ever in comics. As for the film, the biggest fault I see with it is that you really need to have read the book before watching it. It's one of the few films that I can think of where the source material actually helps you fill in the blanks of the Hollywood makeover and allows you to better follow the actions and drama. For example, when I first watched it, my wife was watching it too and she has never read the book. Halfway through the film, she looks at me with a bored expression and asks,"What is this film about?" Says it all, I think. Ah, now mine watched it without being familiar with the book either, but she loved it, she got it right away. But then, her favourite movie, so she says, is V for Vendetta (which she saw before reading it) . I think you're either on the right wavelength with Moore's stuff, or not.
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Post by ziza9 on Mar 8, 2016 17:59:25 GMT -5
I give it a 9. Like others have siad, that one part of the ending keeps it from being a 10. As for the film, I actually like the movie a lot. I look at it as a different interpretation of the same story. It does some things the same, does its own thing in its own way in other instances. So I do prefer the movie's ending over the alien ending of the original story. That alien ending wasn't enough to harm my overall love for the story when i first read it or re-read it over the years.
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Post by Hoosier X on Mar 10, 2016 18:42:50 GMT -5
I saw Watchmen with a couple of people who had only recently started reading Alan Moore - Promethea and From Hell - and they had not gotten to Watchmen yet. They loved the movie and bought the TPB within a few days.
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