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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 10, 2016 21:04:15 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the movie . I must have watched it 3 times. at least.
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Post by Hoosier X on Mar 11, 2016 2:07:13 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the movie . I must have watched it 3 times. at least. I saw it six times in the theater. And I've seen it a couple of times since. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 2:21:49 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the movie . I must have watched it 3 times. at least. I saw it six times in the theater. And I've seen it a couple of times since. So the answer to the question: Who Watches the Watchmen, is obviously Hoosier X and icctrombone. If only ole Alan Moore had known back in the 80s....  -M |
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Post by Ozymandias on Mar 11, 2016 3:10:51 GMT -5
Well, I've also seen it like 4 times, but that doesn't mean it isn't a far cry from the original work.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 11, 2016 7:25:10 GMT -5
I think it captured the feeling of the characters and the source material. I like the soundtrack from Nat Cole to Hendricks.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Mar 11, 2016 8:14:05 GMT -5
Saw it once in the theater, good screening.
I thought it was a terrible movie, completely lacking flow (the stuff between the panels?) and the handeling of Ozymandias was unbelievably bad! I mean, the first second you see him in the movie you know he's the bad guy! In the comics it's much delayed, plus, he's not really a bad guy. Gave the comic a 10/10 I think.
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Post by Ozymandias on Mar 11, 2016 8:24:57 GMT -5
I think it captured the feeling of the characters and the source material. I like the soundtrack from Nat Cole to Hendricks. The characters were OK, except for Ozy. Well, not including Nixon, of course. I also like the soundtrack, but not how it was used. When you have a composer, you can relieve yourself of the task of finding songs or fragments, that will fit with the scenes. Snyder didn't succeed in doing that. |
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Post by Ozymandias on Mar 12, 2016 7:15:27 GMT -5
I don't understand all the acclaim it receives. "Greatest comic ever, except this part, and this part, and this part. 10/10, will never read again." Here's a little bit more praise, from the CCF's FB profile:  No one's pulling any stops, I think this is a clean 10/10. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 19:00:46 GMT -5
Well, our opinions are subjective, so if the comic is a 10/10 TO YOU, I won't say you're wrong. But a sampling of a handful of posts on Facebook isn't closing the case on the subject. Here's the thing that I suspect is happening. Many people who read Watchmen are reading something outside of Big Two in continuity monthly action/drama superhero stories for the first time in their lives. It's their first time dipping their toes into a comics-as-literature stand alone story. And it floors them. They realize a comic can be more than Maximum Carnage. And they think it's the greatest comic ever made. And according to their experience with comics, maybe it is. But I have a feeling a lot of them have not sampled a whole lot outside of their preferred genre, missed a lot of good comics, and the impact of Watchmen was amplified because of it. This happened to me with The Maxx, and although I still think The Maxx is a good comic, I know it's not a world changing masterpiece, which is what I felt like the first time I read it, and what still sticks in the back of my mind sometimes today simply because of my own personal experience with it. Looking at these comments, the only one to reference other comics is Antonio, who lists off a handful of Marvel/DC mainstream superhero titles as a list of the greatest comics ever published. Really? Nobody outside of Marvel/DC has published a comic of that caliber? Nothing outside the superhero genre is that great? Of course we both know this isn't the case, it's just that he hasn't read any of that stuff. Maybe the impact of Watchmen isn't as great for someone who had been focusing on Eisner quality material for a decade before reading it.
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Post by Ozymandias on Mar 12, 2016 19:40:53 GMT -5
Well, our opinions are subjective, so if the comic is a 10/10 TO YOU, I won't say you're wrong. But a sampling of a handful of posts on Facebook isn't closing the case on the subject. Here's the thing that I suspect is happening. Many people who read Watchmen are reading something outside of Big Two in continuity monthly action/drama superhero stories for the first time in their lives. It's their first time dipping their toes into a comics-as-literature stand alone story. And it floors them. They realize a comic can be more than Maximum Carnage. And they think it's the greatest comic ever made. And according to their experience with comics, maybe it is. But I have a feeling a lot of them have not sampled a whole lot outside of their preferred genre, missed a lot of good comics, and the impact of Watchmen was amplified because of it. This happened to me with The Maxx, and although I still think The Maxx is a good comic, I know it's not a world changing masterpiece, which is what I felt like the first time I read it, and what still sticks in the back of my mind sometimes today simply because of my own personal experience with it. Looking at these comments, the only one to reference other comics is Antonio, who lists off a handful of Marvel/DC mainstream superhero titles as a list of the greatest comics ever published. Really? Nobody outside of Marvel/DC has published a comic of that caliber? Nothing outside the superhero genre is that great? Of course we both know this isn't the case, it's just that he hasn't read any of that stuff. Maybe the impact of Watchmen isn't as great for someone who had been focusing on Eisner quality material for a decade before reading it. That wasn't a sampling, but the totality of comments to the original CCF post. I'm quoting your phrase "Greatest comic ever, except this part, and this part, and this part. 10/10, will never read again." You won't see that attitude in the FB screenshot, and I'm still waiting to hear from someone, with such a contradictory opinion. Finally, I don't know Antonio, so I'm not speaking on his behalf, but I can subscribe that statement and I don't recognize myself among those populating your suspected scenario. I don't know about the rest of the fans, but I had been reading comics intensively for the 5 years, previous to my exposure to Watchmen, and 5 years more, with a weaker commitment. My early comics education was as diverse as Uderzo, Carlos Giménez, Didier Comès and a good deal of Marvel/DC stuff. From this unbiased starting point, I proceeded in the early 80's to buy everything on the stands, ok, maybe just 95% of what you could find in a comic-shop. There're great comics outside the superhero genre, but none at the level of Watchmen, Born Again, Year One or TDKR, really. That's just an opinion, but not a misinformed one. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 19:57:49 GMT -5
DKR was another comic I was utterly disappointed with. And I'm a Miller fan, and think Miller is particularly suited to Batman.
It's a fine comic, but it's not the greatest comic story ever. Not by a long stretch. I couldn't in this lifetime list all the comic stories that were better. And I couldn't in this lifetime read all the comic stories I have yet to read that are surely better.
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Post by Ozymandias on Mar 13, 2016 3:41:39 GMT -5
The whole point of my FB screenshot, was to show favorable opinions which didn't adhere to the behavior you described, so… where have you read someone saying that it was partially perfect? I would really like to talk to one of them.
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Post by tingramretro on Mar 13, 2016 3:53:05 GMT -5
The whole point of my FB screenshot, was to show favorable opinions which didn't adhere to the behavior you described, so… where have you read someone saying that it was partially perfect? I would really like to talk to one of them. So would I, if only to explain that "partially perfect" is a nonsense phrase. |
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Post by Ozymandias on Mar 13, 2016 4:52:54 GMT -5
To be fair, I don't actually expect him to quote someone actually saying that, just saying that it was perfect, only to later start pointing towards things he didn't like and stating he wasn't ever going to read it again. Pretty much the same thing, I know, but not so blatantly expressed.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Mar 13, 2016 8:44:27 GMT -5
There're great comics outside the superhero genre, but none at the level of Watchmen, Born Again, Year One or TDKR, really. That's just an opinion, but not a misinformed one. ... Wait... What?!!! Born Again is a very good comic, but, seriously? Nohting outside the superhero genre matches or surpasses that level of quality in your opinion? Now even if I absolutely don't suscribe with Dupont's "explanation" (For once, I had read, Tintn, Sandman, Pogo, Incal, Tezuka and many morre way before I even opened a superhero story...), I have to go with him : Superheroes is a minor part of the comic book spectrum, one that became predominant of american comics a lot more recently than we might think. I love Watchmen and would give it a 10/10 most days, but one the long run, I think Sandman is a more unique and inspiring work. Year One is an exceptional little superhero tale, but if you gonna go wit Mazzucheli, I'd take Asterios Polyp any day as a masterwork. |
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