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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 2, 2015 22:09:41 GMT -5
Ok, so in the midst of all Marvel's current nonsense, we get the horribly titled All-New, All-Different Avengers.
I was pretty skeptical, but I thought, what the heck, I'll give Mark Waid a shot... and it has Ms. Marvel in it, so that's a plus.
Interestingly, the preview stuff that came out WAY back wasn't here... maybe it's in the next issue (or even the one after that). In just a few pages, Waid give subtle shoutouts to other Marvel Books (Spiderman and Captain America, to be exact) that back in the day would have be perfect for a editor reference. *Parker Industries? Your friendly Neighborhood Wall crawler has gone global in Amazing Spiderman #1). We find out Steve Rogers is mad at both Cap and Iron Man, and has his own team. We get a shout out to Sunspot's team. We get movie tie in (the Shitari or whatever are the fist bad guys). We find out Tony Stark has all him money tied up from when he was in space (which I'm going to pretend was the most excellent digital comic from a couple years ago that didn't really fit into continuity then). We get a dig at Fox News. Then there's what I'm taking as a dig at Hickman when Tony says there isn't really an Avengers anymore... my wife looked at me kinda funny when I cheered.
Amazing stuff that has been sorely missing lately. My only minor complaint is that it's mostly set up... we only see Iron Man, Cap and Spiderman (Miles, that is). The 2nd half of the double sized issues is a team up between Nova and Ms. Marvel, which I liked because it made Nova look bad, and I hate me some Nova-thats-not-Rich-Rider. I fear my daughter is going to 'ship them, though.
What really needs to happen is someone needs to clone Mark Waid and make him Eic of both Marvel and DC, stat!
Anyway, for all of you that don't like Hickman, go by this comic.. you won't be disappointed.
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Post by spoon on Dec 2, 2015 22:34:27 GMT -5
Prior to his recently completed Daredevil run, I wasn't much of a Mark Waid fan. And there were times that his writing was shaky on that as well. But I bought All-New, All-Different Avenger #1 as well and really liked it. I don't buy many knew comics, but I decided to give it a try.
The stronger story is the Nova/Ms. Marvel story. I bought the first 4 issues of so of Ms. Marvel after hearing about all the hype, but ended up being underwhelmed. In a few pages, I actually like how Waid wrote the character more than anything G. Willow Wilson wrote in four issues. I also thought there was a clever allusion to President Obama in the first story, with the Girl Scout cookie scene. Like Obama as the first black President, Sam Wilson feels he has to be hyper-vigilant about how people perceive him.
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Post by Action Ace on Dec 2, 2015 23:04:13 GMT -5
He is, but not even Mark Waid could get me to read this comic.
or Daredevil
or The Hulk
maybe Agents of SHIELD if the back issues are cheap enough
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 3:55:09 GMT -5
I'm really not feeling the love for this - I've found the 2 series pretty uninspiring so far, though the whole "8 months later" thing, which I'm already finding pretty tedious, is not helping.
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Post by dupersuper on Dec 3, 2015 10:14:15 GMT -5
He's certainly always been 1 of my faves. His Flash, Kingdom Come, FF, Captain America, Superman, Justice League, Hulk, Daredevil, Avengers, Brave & Bold, Empire, Irredeemable, Incorruptible, Insufferable...
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 3, 2015 10:30:04 GMT -5
I felt like he was getting a little too meta with Irredeemable... I didn't read the others... and Empire hasn't been as good as promised.
I think, unlike most current creators, Waid is at his best making traditional superhero properties sing, rather than creating his own.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Dec 3, 2015 13:12:42 GMT -5
Flash & Impulse were great superhero comics, still enjoy those. Waid isn't afraid to tackle mature subjects even in kids comics. But... he's also been dangerously on the downward curve of taking himself too seriously, especially in the context of DC and Marvel.
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Post by Dizzy D on Dec 3, 2015 16:19:34 GMT -5
To me, he's mostly an above average superhero writer, I've read bits of most of his mainstream work, but apart from Daredevil, I never managed to keep interest. And in that case: I liked Daredevil, but mostly for the art. The thing by Waid I enjoyed the most in his career was Ruse.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 3, 2015 17:55:45 GMT -5
To me, he's mostly an above average superhero writer, I've read bits of most of his mainstream work, but apart from Daredevil, I never managed to keep interest. And in that case: I liked Daredevil, but mostly for the art. The thing by Waid I enjoyed the most in his career was Ruse. Yeah, 100 percent agreement. I LIKE a lot of Waid's stuff - I mean, he did write a team-up book with no central character, which is my favorite thing - but Ruse was the only comic he's written where I was just blown away. (And I also found Irredeemable, Empire, and that other one underwhelming. I should read Agents of Shield.) |
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Post by spoon on Dec 3, 2015 21:52:03 GMT -5
To me, he's mostly an above average superhero writer, I've read bits of most of his mainstream work, but apart from Daredevil, I never managed to keep interest. And in that case: I liked Daredevil, but mostly for the art. The thing by Waid I enjoyed the most in his career was Ruse. Yes. Mark Waid's writing on Daredevil was often very good, but sometimes it was so-so. Chris Samnee was, to quote Kevin Durant, "the real MVP" of that Daredevil run. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 22:08:54 GMT -5
To me, he's mostly an above average superhero writer, I've read bits of most of his mainstream work, but apart from Daredevil, I never managed to keep interest. And in that case: I liked Daredevil, but mostly for the art. The thing by Waid I enjoyed the most in his career was Ruse. Yes. Mark Waid's writing on Daredevil was often very good, but sometimes it was so-so. Chris Samnee was, to quote Kevin Durant, "the real MVP" of that Daredevil run. Except of course for the issues during that run by Marcos Martin, or Paolo Rivera, Kano or other contributors on the run which were just as good as the Samnee issues but the unifying factor for all of them was Waid. He provided the tapestry upon which they worked their magic. Set the tone, provided the cues and orchestrated the overall tone and direction of the book which those visuals executed, whether or not each individual story itself stood out. I don't want to take anything away from Samnee's work, I loved it, but the work of Rivera, Martin and others wa sjust as impressive and just as indebted to the main making it all possible on that run-Waid. Samnee's stuff was great, but he inherited a visual foundation established by Martin and Rivera on that run and a direction and zeitgeist for the book established by Waid. He took it and run with it for sure, and was likely what made it all come together as well as it did at the tail end of the book, but he doesn't do it without all those others getting the ball rolling. Waid's great strength as a comics writer I think, is that he often gets his other contributors to bring out their A-game. Like the artists on DD. I don't think Ron Garney ever looked as good as when he was working with Waid on Captain America. Ringo's best stuff came with Waid, not that he slacked elsewhere, but he shined even more with Mark. Ramos was fun on Impulse, but difficult to swallow elsewhere. He finds things in the established properties that resonate with his collaborators and his audience. His stories may not always be innovative or genius, but he finds something that works and inspires his collaborators to usually make good comics consistency. Nobody bats a thousand, but I like Waid's batting average when it comes to his body of work. Best super-hero writer is debatable, but dependably entertaining and good at what he does I can live with. -M |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 3, 2015 22:11:33 GMT -5
You guys all make good points, and I agree with most of them. The proof is in the pudding though... no one else can make any sort of sense of the Marvel Universe right now (the Dr. Strange that Tony Stark pops in on bares little resemblance to the one in the Dr. Strange book, for instance)... he deserves some sort of medal for that.
I really ought to pick up Impulse at some point.. I did enjoy his Flash greatly.
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Post by spoon on Dec 3, 2015 22:25:26 GMT -5
Yes. Mark Waid's writing on Daredevil was often very good, but sometimes it was so-so. Chris Samnee was, to quote Kevin Durant, "the real MVP" of that Daredevil run. Except of course for the issues during that run by Marcos Martin, or Paolo Rivera, Kano or other contributors on the run which were just as good as the Samnee issues but the unifying factor for all of them was Waid. He provided the tapestry upon which they worked their magic. Set the tone, provided the cues and orchestrated the overall tone and direction of the book which those visuals executed, whether or not each individual story itself stood out. I don't want to take anything away from Samnee's work, I loved it, but the work of Rivera, Martin and others wa sjust as impressive and just as indebted to the main making it all possible on that run-Waid. Samnee's stuff was great, but he inherited a visual foundation established by Martin and Rivera on that run and a direction and zeitgeist for the book established by Waid. He took it and run with it for sure, and was likely what made it all come together as well as it did at the tail end of the book, but he doesn't do it without all those others getting the ball rolling. Waid's great strength as a comics writer I think, is that he often gets his other contributors to bring out their A-game. Like the artists on DD. I don't think Ron Garney ever looked as good as when he was working with Waid on Captain America. Ringo's best stuff came with Waid, not that he slacked elsewhere, but he shined even more with Mark. Ramos was fun on Impulse, but difficult to swallow elsewhere. He finds things in the established properties that resonate with his collaborators and his audience. His stories may not always be innovative or genius, but he finds something that works and inspires his collaborators to usually make good comics consistency. Nobody bats a thousand, but I like Waid's batting average when it comes to his body of work. Best super-hero writer is debatable, but dependably entertaining and good at what he does I can live with. -M For me, the Samnee issues were better than the issues by other artists. I started Daredevil with #21. I decided to try it best on flipping through and seeing the interior art. I got a few more Samnee issues, then went back to the beginning by buying the TPBs. They were good for setting the stage for the Samnee issues that I really love. When a guest artist shows up for a couple of issues of the following volume (those Original Sin issues), the issues are frankly boring. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 22:32:05 GMT -5
Most of the visual techniques unique to Daredevil (things like how to portray the radar sense for example) used throughout the run though that gave it its unique visual look (as opposed to the layouts/figure work used by Samnee) were developed by Rivera not Samnee, and borrowed by Samnee to give the strip a visual continuity when he took over. Without Rivera developing that visual language, the Samnee run isn't what it was.
-M
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 22:54:59 GMT -5
The only exposure that I have of Mark Waid was JLA, Brave and Bold, Infinity Inc, Wonder Woman, and DC Elseworlds for DC Comics. For Marvel Comics it was his Daredevil, The Indestructible Hulk with artist Leinil Francis Yu was my only exposure in that company. My favorite book that he done was Green Hornet for Dynamite Comics and I'm a fan of his work in that series. I just fell in love with this book ...  |
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