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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 28, 2017 23:46:09 GMT -5
OK, so I came across this 1952 Black Magic Kirby cover the other day. I know there's no connection, and it's a pretty standard arrangement, and this doesn't consitute a swipe or homage or anything like that...but darn it, the BM cover's composition/positioning reminded me of a very famous (later) cover so I'm posting it here.   {Spoiler: Click to show}  Man, this is a great catch. I suppose out of the tens of thousands of covers which would have been drawn between these two images, you're going to have stuff line up, but... the figures of Green Lantern and Mr. Blue Jacket, the open doorway behind them, the hunched figure. You have an amazing eye, Farrar! |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 29, 2017 4:58:15 GMT -5
Awesome find.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 29, 2017 15:10:16 GMT -5
OK, so I came across this 1952 Black Magic Kirby cover the other day. I know there's no connection, and it's a pretty standard arrangement, and this doesn't consitute a swipe or homage or anything like that...but darn it, the BM cover's composition/positioning reminded me of a very famous (later) cover so I'm posting it here. {Spoiler: Click to show} You're probably right about this being a standard arrangement, Farrar, but it's the point or theme of the illustratiion that's the key, with the figure closest to the reader hiding a dark secret and one of the figures in the back revealing it to the other's shock and surprise. Adams did rearrange those two, perhaps because we read and look from left to right.
Excellent powers of observation, as usual. Now I want to find more of these! |
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 29, 2017 15:23:05 GMT -5
Farrar , this is almost the idea, but "inside-out." Figure in background reveals secret of two figures in foreground... 
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 31, 2017 14:33:17 GMT -5
Whatcha think? June 1968 and November 1987   They could at least have changed the coloring to throw us off... |
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Post by tarkintino on Aug 1, 2017 9:19:30 GMT -5
Whatcha think? June 1968 and November 1987 They could at least have changed the coloring to throw us off... This must be one of the most shameless swipes in comic book history... |
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Post by MDG on Aug 1, 2017 11:48:29 GMT -5
This must be one of the most shameless swipes in comic book history... yes and no--traditionally the aim or swiping is copying something to save time. In this case, the basic concept is the same, but he didn't copy any of the drawing. |
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Post by Farrar on Aug 1, 2017 13:15:56 GMT -5
Whatcha think? June 1968 and November 1987 LOL, reminds me of Ego (1966)   |
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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 1, 2017 13:48:32 GMT -5
Farrar , if the Mordru full-page face owes something to Ego -- and would not be at all surprised if it does -- I'd lay it more at Shooter's feet than Swan's. When I read this as a kid, I remember being struck by how un-DC and un-Curt Swan it was. Somehow I don't see Curt Swan as being much of an explorer of other artists' styles. He worked very successfully for a long time in his own style (both drawing and layout). Shooter was a young comics fan, meaning he read Marvel as well as DC, and would certainly have known of Ego, Kirby and also of Jack's penchant for full-page drawings. Plus he used thumbnail sketches when he first presented his work to Weisinger. I'm wondering if he may have done that with at least this splash page. Yet another of the great mysteries of life. 
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Post by Farrar on Aug 1, 2017 13:57:23 GMT -5
Farrar , if the Mordru full-page face owes something to Ego -- and would not be at all surprised if it does -- I'd lay it more at Shooter's feet than Swan's. When I read this as a kid, I remember being struck by how un-DC and un-Curt Swan it was. Somehow I don't see Curt Swan as being much of an explorer of other artists' styles. He worked very successfully for a long time in his own style (both drawing and layout). Shooter was a young comics fan, meaning he read Marvel as well as DC, and would certainly have known of Ego, Kirby and also of Jack's penchant for full-page drawings. Plus he used thumbnail sketches when he first presented his work to Weisinger. I'm wondering if he may have done that with at least this splash page. Yet another of the great mysteries of life. I agree. Shooter is said to have provided the (rough) layouts for Swan for those Legion stories back then--that's how he worked w/Swan (and other artits), by providing layouts--and as you noted he (Shooter) was a fan of comics and esp. Marvel at the time...so that was my impression as well. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 3, 2017 4:55:56 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 3, 2017 4:59:54 GMT -5
Farrar , if the Mordru full-page face owes something to Ego -- and would not be at all surprised if it does -- I'd lay it more at Shooter's feet than Swan's. When I read this as a kid, I remember being struck by how un-DC and un-Curt Swan it was. Somehow I don't see Curt Swan as being much of an explorer of other artists' styles. He worked very successfully for a long time in his own style (both drawing and layout). Shooter was a young comics fan, meaning he read Marvel as well as DC, and would certainly have known of Ego, Kirby and also of Jack's penchant for full-page drawings. Plus he used thumbnail sketches when he first presented his work to Weisinger. I'm wondering if he may have done that with at least this splash page. Yet another of the great mysteries of life. it's funny that you should mention Swans layouts because I remember reading that he went and got additional schooling late in his career to learn how to do more dramatic page layouts. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 4, 2017 5:18:42 GMT -5
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 4, 2017 5:33:20 GMT -5
Campbell gen 13 era doing digital cared-game art masquerading as comics art. yechhhhh. at least the feet were drawn. you listening, rob liefeld? |
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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 8, 2017 16:23:57 GMT -5
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