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Post by EdoBosnar on Jan 12, 2023 13:40:45 GMT -5
I love Kane's work across the board, but I prefer his self-inked art.
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Post by MDG on Jan 12, 2023 14:02:12 GMT -5
I have no problem with Stan being credited with co-developer on any of these. The problem, and it has great financial repercussions, is his claims of being the sole or main creator. When we think of Man-Thing, we think of Steve Gerber and Mike Ploog, who developed the comic into what made it a favorite. But Man-Thing was created by Gerry Conway, Gray Morrow, Roy Thomas and Stan Lee. That is why the "but Stan's dialog and editing" argument is irrelevant to the who created discussion. True. Unfortunately, since most of the characters were created as "work for hire" the "Marvel" entity is the owner, regardless of who did the work. I love Kane's self inked work. I prefer almost every artist when they ink themselves. An exception would be Don Heck, who looks better on the superhero books with almost anyone else inking him. John Buscema was good self inking and had a nice loose quality, but I liked him better with other inkers. I really like Buscema inking himself, though others did very good work on him. I felt Alcala was too "delicate" though.
I'm also a fan of Kane on himself. That style on a lot of other artists would look stiff, but his characters remained very fluid and in motion.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 12, 2023 14:03:53 GMT -5
I love Kane's self inked work. I prefer almost every artist when they ink themselves. An exception would be Don Heck, who looks better on the superhero books with almost anyone else inking him. John Buscema was good self inking and had a nice loose quality, but I liked him better with other inkers. Nobody inks Heck better than Heck himself (well, maybe Joe Sinnott), at least on his work prior to, oh, 1970 or thereabouts.
Cei-U! In my opinion, natch!
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 12, 2023 14:10:35 GMT -5
It’s so easy to read these Doctor Strange stories that I read up to #124 (September 1964) and so I got a few months ahead of The Avengers (which just went monthly) so I have to read Avengers #7 and #8 to get caught up.
I’ve read Avengers #8 a bunch of times! One of my favorites from early Marvel. But I’ve not read #7 nearly as much. All I remember is the Chic Stone inking and the Enchantress in green striped Capri pants.
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Post by kirby101 on Jan 12, 2023 14:11:13 GMT -5
This is just personal taste, i feel his scratchy style really detracted from his superhero work, but when inked by Giaccioa or Syd Shores, it was a big improvement to my eyes.  |
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Post by kirby101 on Jan 12, 2023 14:16:31 GMT -5
I have no problem with Stan being credited with co-developer on any of these. The problem, and it has great financial repercussions, is his claims of being the sole or main creator. When we think of Man-Thing, we think of Steve Gerber and Mike Ploog, who developed the comic into what made it a favorite. But Man-Thing was created by Gerry Conway, Gray Morrow, Roy Thomas and Stan Lee. That is why the "but Stan's dialog and editing" argument is irrelevant to the who created discussion. True. Unfortunately, since most of the characters were created as "work for hire" the "Marvel" entity is the owner, regardless of who did the work. This is one of those myths that isn't true. Creators got royalties throughout the Golden Age, Simon and Kirby left Captain America because of this and went to DC where they got royalties. Goodman promised Kirby rolayties but reneged and reneged. Kirby had just been blacklisted by Jack Schiff at DC and had a family to feed. He kept working and trying to get Stan and Goodman to keep their promise, to no avail. But to say it was all "work for hire" and they knew it is false. They fought it, but could only do so much and keep working. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 12, 2023 14:19:06 GMT -5
I like Giacoia or Shores over Heck just fine but I love his early self-inked work on Iron Man and Ant-Man a lot more. Then again, I think he was one of those artists whose work suffered following the switch circa '67 to the smaller art boards and that played a big part in why his self-inking in later years didn't look as good.
Cei-U!
summon the loss of fine detail!
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 12, 2023 14:20:12 GMT -5
So Zemo apparently pays for his grandiose schemes by taxing the natives and getting every last gold coin from them.
I guess I don’t understand South American economics.
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Post by kirby101 on Jan 12, 2023 14:20:13 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 12, 2023 14:54:33 GMT -5
This explains why a monster like Mort Weisinger could get away with his behavior. |
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Post by Batflunkie on Jan 12, 2023 15:27:22 GMT -5
The Flash #91
So after the events of "On The Run", Wally confronted Johnny Quick into giving him his speed formula so that he could theoretically go faster and not have to deal with the emotional guilt of not having to save everybody. But then he uses it and is going so fast that the world is frozen around him. Luckily Max Mercury has honed in on Wally and is able to guide him through this strange phenomena. Max later hints at big changes coming and the revelation that is the speed force
Good issue I thought
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Post by arfetto on Jan 12, 2023 15:37:20 GMT -5
Today I read:
Parasyte Chapters 1-9 (original Japanese volume releases for these specific chapters circa 1990-1991, but some of these chapters would have been originally published in serialized form in 1988 or 1989) by Hitoshi Iwaaki.
The last time I read Parasyte was when it was being published in Mixxzine Magazine when I was a kid. Mixxzine was carried by Waldenbooks in the mall, that was the only place I could seem to find it. I enjoyed most of the titles in the magazine (like Harlem Beat, a comic about basketball, and of course there was also Sailor Moon), but Parasyte, with its body horror and clever concept, was the one that really grabbed my attention back then. When I was young, I think there was this small core selection of entertainment that shaped my tastes by virtue of their unforgettable imagery, and I would consider Parasyte to be one of those particular entertainments.
Parasyte Chapter One: Invasion begins with dandelion/puff-ball parasites "about the size of tennis balls" landing in Japan at night. On touchdown, they transform into strange looking snake/worm type creatures and proceed to take over the brain/head area of sleeping humans by entering through the ears. One of them, however, can't invade the ears of a 16-year old boy name Shinichi, because the youth's ears are currently occupied by a different kind of "earworm" haha: music. He is wearing headphones. Due to this, the parasite tries to enter through the boy's nose, but that causes the young man to sneeze and awaken. The parasite then drills a hole into Shinichi's right hand as an entryway in a last-ditch effort to take over. Thinking quickly, Shinichi ties a cord around his arm to cut off the parasite's ability to travel towards the brain. And so, the parasite bonds with the boy's right hand rather than his head.
 Migi, the shape-shifting parasite, is an intelligent and pragmatic creature. Due to his naivety about human life, Migi can also look a bit cute at times, in a bizarre way. Being a parasite, he knows Shinichi must stay alive so he too can live. The two are literally bonded, but bonding on a spiritual level is a bit more difficult considering Migi's ruthlessness.
The relationship between the two makes the comic quite interesting. Even the more comical moments have a darkness to them.
Meanwhile, the other parasites that landed in Japan and successfully integrated with the heads of their victims (allowing them to change their faces rather than their hands) are starting to make their presence known by making "mincemeat" out of regular humans. Seeing the successful parasites in action makes it easy to remember Migi would be just as deadly if he had been able to eat Shinichi's brain. But instead, Migi is handicapped (insert groan here).
Luckily for Earth, Shinichi is a morally upstanding kind of guy, and he seems to feel that "with great power comes great responsibility" (though he does not actually put it that way haha). He wants to do something about the other parasites, somehow, so that they will stop murdering people.
Shinichi and Migi work together to take out a parasite that is threatening kids at a school (though Migi's original plan was to use those school kids as "meat shields" while they kill the parasite haha, Shinchi nixes that idea not surprisingly). The parasites in general seem to have a low opinion of humans, so this Parasite "A" does not even consider Shinichi a threat as he battles Migi. He does not realize he is not just fighting Migi, he is fighting Migi + Shinichi. While so focused on Migi, Shinichi is able to put an end to A's terror with his left hand.
The dynamic between Shinichi and Migi is well done, the showdowns between parasites are intense, and it is a quick read. I read all nine chapters of this color re-release in less than an hour I would say. It has an addictive flow from chapter to chapter.
Apparently an anime was made of Parasyte sometime in the 2010s or so, but I have never seen it.
Though the story no longer disturbs me like it did when I was a kid, the comic still impresses me, as do the visual elements of the parasites.
Satisfying.
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Post by tonebone on Jan 12, 2023 15:57:31 GMT -5
I have no problem with Stan being credited with co-developer on any of these. The problem, and it has great financial repercussions, is his claims of being the sole or main creator. When we think of Man-Thing, we think of Steve Gerber and Mike Ploog, who developed the comic into what made it a favorite. But Man-Thing was created by Gerry Conway, Gray Morrow, Roy Thomas and Stan Lee. That is why the "but Stan's dialog and editing" argument is irrelevant to the who created discussion. Ehhhhhhh..... So who is the "creator"... the person who does the first sketch, or names him, or the person who develops him over a period of time? I would argue that Thor, as an example, was not created out of whole cloth in his first appearance, but over several appearances, through story, characterization, supporting characters, and, yes, art. |
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Post by Batflunkie on Jan 12, 2023 16:07:57 GMT -5
arfetto, I've watched most of the anime and it's probably one of the most genuinely unsettling things that I've ever seen. They also made a live action movie of it, the CGI seems to look pretty decent
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 16:20:17 GMT -5
I have no problem with Stan being credited with co-developer on any of these. The problem, and it has great financial repercussions, is his claims of being the sole or main creator. When we think of Man-Thing, we think of Steve Gerber and Mike Ploog, who developed the comic into what made it a favorite. But Man-Thing was created by Gerry Conway, Gray Morrow, Roy Thomas and Stan Lee. That is why the "but Stan's dialog and editing" argument is irrelevant to the who created discussion. There's precedent with this with Thor. Back when Snorri Sturluson wrote the Prose Edda, he tried to claim he came up with Thor, but there was a group of Icelandic "oral epic tradition" historians who would spread the word to all who would hear that Snorri was borrowing from the earlier Poetic Edda content, which in turn was contributed to by various minstrels whose names are now forgotten but never got appropriate credit. The historians would meet periodically at the Icelandic equivalent of a public "forum" to debate the lack of proper crediting to all who would listen (though those were few and far between). And yet Snorri continued on, appearing at popular gatherings and festivals basking in the praise he received for the Thor and related mythos. To this day, documentaries are being produced on the subject and those who can trace their genealogies back to the historians are doing their best to bring the truth to light. |
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