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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 17:43:44 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the Fantastic Four run from 358-to about 410. Most people find it to be a down time but Defalco and Ryan kept me coming back every month. It featured Alicia being exposed as a Skull, the Death of Reed Richards... And also this:  One of my favorite runs of the title...I reread most of it every couple of years. Sue being my favorite member of the F.F. I was glad to see her take a more central role and stepping up after Reed's "death." |
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 15, 2016 17:47:18 GMT -5
Three cheers for Jack Schiff Batman! Anything with Bat-Mite, Batwoman, the first Bat-Girl, Catman, Clayface or random aliens!  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 17:50:55 GMT -5
I like almost all of Jeph Loeb's stuff. He is *great* at writing to the strengths of his artists, and lets 'em show off skills that nobody knows they have (like those painterly flashback pages from Jim Lee in HUSH.) And he seems to have a boundless, cheerful enthusiasm for his work. He's Godawful at plotting, but I'm not really a plot guy anyway. Aside from Hush, I'm not a big fan of Loeb. I suspect his bad Raymond Chandleresque homages wouldn't bother me so much if I hadn't read so much Chandler. When in Rome was truly terrible. If I had read it before Hush or The Long Halloween, I probably wouldn't have read Loeb ever again. Not really a fan of Loeb's writing either but I did enjoy Spider-Man: Blue and to a lesser extent Hulk: Gray. Though it helps that Tim Sale was on art chores. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 15, 2016 18:08:22 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the Fantastic Four run from 358-to about 410. Most people find it to be a down time but Defalco and Ryan kept me coming back every month. It featured Alicia being exposed as a Skull, the Death of Reed Richards... And also this: One of my favorite runs of the title...I reread most of it every couple of years. Sue being my favorite member of the F.F. I was glad to see her take a more central role and stepping up after Reed's "death." cooper, I'm beginning to think you're my brother from another mother. We both like the same runs of Iron man and FF.  |
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Post by Action Ace on Feb 15, 2016 18:11:55 GMT -5
Any comic from DC not printed in the 1980s or from Vertigo.
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Post by chadwilliam on Feb 15, 2016 18:25:01 GMT -5
Three cheers for Jack Schiff Batman! Anything with Bat-Mite, Batwoman, the first Bat-Girl, Catman, Clayface or random aliens!
I was just about to post the same sentiment - the 1956-1964 period is one of the highlights of Batman's history. I think it's appreciated more today than it was 10 or 20 years ago due to its perceived craziness and the fact that fans today are probably less close minded about Batman when he's not written by/or in the style of Frank Miller than they used to be. I do however, suspect that people like these tales in a sort of ironic way - a sort of "I like them 'cause they're so goofy". Not me. I love these stories because they're great tales. It's that simple.
Complaints that Batman's not supposed to be seen during the day are meaningless - his vow was to "spend my life warring on all criminals" not "spend my life warring on all criminals between the hours of midnight and three".
The idea that he shouldn't fight aliens isn't fair either - should he just let them run amok?
Batman's strength isn't born out of shadows, trickery, and some mistaken belief that he possesses supernatural powers - if it were, he'd be little more than a phony who needs to rely on trickery to win his battles. Criminals should be scared of him because they understand him perfectly - he's a Master Detective, Escape Artist, Scientist, and Fighter and they know it.
As long as Batman is presented as level headed, serious about crime fighting, and possesses his Sherlockian mind and Houdini like skills, the editor/author/artist is being true to the core of the character.
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Post by coke & comics on Feb 15, 2016 20:31:25 GMT -5
While I don't know that everybody hates it, many don't remember the Harras/Epting era of Avengers fondly, and many more have read none of it. But I love the Gatherers Saga. It remains one of the great superhero stories in my mind, and was one of the earliest truly great superhero stories I ever read, aged 11. The best part is the ending of every issue that makes it up. (For those curious the saga runs Avengers #343-344,348,349*,355-363,367*,370-375. It somewhat awkwardly weaves itself around Operation: Galactic Storm and its aftermath, as well as the Bloodties X-Men crossover. 349 and 367 are Vision-centric fill-in issues of some tangential relevance. 367 is tricky as it adds a bit to all the unrelated subplots of the era: Galactic Storm, Bloodties, an ongoing Hercules/Hera conflict, the Gatherers Saga, and some recent developments for Vision) I enjoyed that run when it came out, as I had just been getting back into Avengers and comics in general after a hiatus, but when I went back and tried to reread it later (post-Crossing, pre-Heores Return) I found I just couldn't get into it at all and didn't enjoy it a second time through. Now, however many years later I don't know if I would like it or not, but I don't plan a reread any time soon (and no longer have the issues if I did decide to do it). -M Whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't confuse the Crossing or the era that followed with what I'm talking about. Epting. Not Deodato. Epting. The Crossing, and everything following until Busiek was terrible. Issue 375 (Epting's final issue) ends the Gatherers Saga and it's best to pretend that ends Avengers until Busiek took over. I am talking about the issues I named above. I'm not recommending anything by drawn by Mike Deodato and am certainly not recommending anything Terry Kavanagh went anywhere near. Even Waid's work should be avoided. For the most part, I like Avengers #334-375 (except for the odd fill-in story). I do not care for #376-402. |
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Post by coke & comics on Feb 15, 2016 20:35:07 GMT -5
I love Denny O' Neil's run on Iron Man from #178-208 almost as much as the Michelinie/Layton runs. I also highly enjoyed O'Neil's Daredevil run from #194-225. Never really hear much love for these particular runs. But I don't hear hate for them. O'Neill's Daredevils are certainly overshadowed by being between two Miller eras, but I tended to like those stories, and haven't heard of them being hated. |
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Post by realjla on Feb 15, 2016 21:40:21 GMT -5
The Peter David 'Joe Fixit' and 'Professor' eras of 'The Incredible Hulk'
Justice League of America, the Conway Years
DC Comics Presents
Marvel Team-Up, and Two-in-One.
Archie Comics, prior to the development of continuity between titles.
Crisis on Infinite Earths
Blue Beetle's DC book.
Sgt. Rock
The Aparo-DeCarlo stint on 'Batman'...yes, even 'Death in the Family'
Byrne Superman
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Feb 15, 2016 22:15:11 GMT -5
^ People dislike Sgt Rock??? And Aparo Batman? AND MARVEL TEAM-UPS?!?! Early issues of MTUs are some of my favourite fun comic bookery!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 22:32:30 GMT -5
The Peter David 'Joe Fixit' and 'Professor' eras of 'The Incredible Hulk' Justice League of America, the Conway Years DC Comics Presents Marvel Team-Up, and Two-in-One. Archie Comics, prior to the development of continuity between titles. Crisis on Infinite Earths Blue Beetle's DC book. Sgt. Rock The Aparo-DeCarlo stint on 'Batman'...yes, even 'Death in the Family' Byrne Superman I love Joe Fixit and the Professor Hulk. I've never really heard anyone say they hated those eras. From what I heard people who love PAD's Hulk often praise those eras. Myself included. If anything the only bad thing I've heard about the Fixit issues was the art by Jeff Purves. I don't think the art is very good but it's servicible. |
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Post by hondobrode on Feb 15, 2016 22:35:13 GMT -5
I'm not much of a Jeph Loeb fan, but I loved when he was writing Superman earlier in his career. Great stuff !
I didn't hate the Marvel Knights Punisher mini with him as an angel of vengeance. In fact, I thought it was a pretty gutsy move on Marvel's part, and while I prefer the traditional Frank Castle, I liked this version too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 23:05:36 GMT -5
I enjoyed that run when it came out, as I had just been getting back into Avengers and comics in general after a hiatus, but when I went back and tried to reread it later (post-Crossing, pre-Heores Return) I found I just couldn't get into it at all and didn't enjoy it a second time through. Now, however many years later I don't know if I would like it or not, but I don't plan a reread any time soon (and no longer have the issues if I did decide to do it). -M Whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't confuse the Crossing or the era that followed with what I'm talking about. Epting. Not Deodato. Epting. The Crossing, and everything following until Busiek was terrible. Issue 375 (Epting's final issue) ends the Gatherers Saga and it's best to pretend that ends Avengers until Busiek took over. I am talking about the issues I named above. I'm not recommending anything by drawn by Mike Deodato and am certainly not recommending anything Terry Kavanagh went anywhere near. Even Waid's work should be avoided. For the most part, I like Avengers #334-375 (except for the odd fill-in story). I do not care for #376-402. Not confusing them, read the Gatherers era as it was coming out, liked it, suffered through the Crossing then while Heroes Reborn was happening and I wasn't buying Avengers (hence post-Crossing, pre-Heroes Return) I sat down and reread the Gatherers era of Avengers (so about 2 or so years after it concluded) and just could not get into it the second time. I was referring to when I reread the Gatherers era, not what books were coming out then with the time reference. As for Epting, I liked his Avengers stuff, but I think he really blossomed as an artist after he got out from under Tom Palmer's inks. Palmer is a master, but by that point in his career his inks drowned out whomever he was working with and dominated the look of the art. The first time Epting's art just blew me away was when he did El Cazador for CrossGen. I had liked his stuff before then and thought he had a lot of potential, El Cazador was the first time I thought he realized his potential-then he teamed with Bru on Cap. -M |
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Post by Cei-U! on Feb 16, 2016 1:35:40 GMT -5
I love Denny O' Neil's run on Iron Man from #178-208 almost as much as the Michelinie/Layton runs. I also highly enjoyed O'Neil's Daredevil run from #194-225. Never really hear much love for these particular runs. But I don't hear hate for them. O'Neill's Daredevils are certainly overshadowed by being between two Miller eras, but I tended to like those stories, and haven't heard of them being hated. Well, now you have. I hated O'Neil's work on both titles. Cei-U! Doesn't your life feel enriched?  |
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Post by realjla on Feb 16, 2016 1:43:25 GMT -5
^ People dislike Sgt Rock??? And Aparo Batman? AND MARVEL TEAM-UPS?!?! Early issues of MTUs are some of my favourite fun comic bookery! Mine too...but when one compares the last year or so of MTU to the stratospheric popularity of the X-Men, the New Mutants, and the imminent X-Factor, plus such mini-series as X-Men/Fantastic Four, and specials like 'Wolverine Makes a Sandwich', Spidey's team-up book kind of got lost in the shuffle. Aparo was always great...but I specifically mentioned 'Death in the Family' for being a polarizing event for the Batman franchise...and not all of Aparo's fans cared for DeCarlo's work. I didn't dislike Sgt. Rock, either, and perhaps he's more appreciated now, but, like MTU, Rock's title wasn't the big 'fan favorite' in the '80s. 'Like, you read SGT. ROCK instead of TEEN TITAAAAANS? As IF!'At least DC didn't give Rock the 'Hex' treatment, and send him into the future. |
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