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Post by Action Ace on Apr 9, 2016 20:05:53 GMT -5
I still find it hard to like Shazam/Captain Marvel since I vividly remember reading All-Star Squadron #36 and #37 over and over as a small child. I was never a CM fan either. Too goofy. There is no such thing as "too goofy." |
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Post by Action Ace on Apr 9, 2016 20:07:55 GMT -5
It must have been a comic for a specific era. It never worked( IMHO) when he was purchased by DC in 1973. I know someone will bring up the Power Of Shazam mini in the 90's but that's just a speed bump in his DC comic career. was an ongoing. 47 issues, 1995-1999. The only time the character has ever been interesting. balderdash AND hogwash!!! and Power of Shazam! was also a original graphic novel in 1994 |
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Post by Action Ace on Apr 9, 2016 20:13:11 GMT -5
COIE was a epic mistake that deserves to be chucked into the dustbin of history.
On the other hand, it is the best looking art I have ever seen in any comic book.
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 10, 2016 7:39:07 GMT -5
COIE was a epic mistake that deserves to be chucked into the dustbin of history. On the other hand, it is the best looking art I have ever seen in any comic book. I'm going to assume that your love of Superman was something born out of the Crisis reboot. You can't have it both ways, that iteration would never have come to pass without COIE. |
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Post by tingramretro on Apr 10, 2016 8:18:00 GMT -5
I was never a CM fan either. Too goofy. There is no such thing as "too goofy." There most certainly is, if you don't happen to like goofy (or, indeed, Goofy). |
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Post by hondobrode on Apr 10, 2016 14:47:19 GMT -5
Crisis felt big and universe changing and was super exciting to read when I was in high school.
I didn't vote in the poll cause I'm torn.
in 1985 Pre-Crisis I was buying (not including mini-series, one-shots, etc) :
Action
All-Star Squadron
DC Comics Presents
Flash
Green Lantern
Hex
Infinity Inc
Legion of Super-Heroes and Tales of the Legion of Super-Heroes (original material)
New Teen Titans and Tales of the New Teen Titans (original material)
Omega Men
Swamp Thing
Vigilante
14 titles
in 1987 Post-Crisis I was buying (not including mini-series, one-shots, etc) :
Action
Adventures of Superman
All-Star Squadron
Batman
Detective
Flash
Green Lantern Corps
Hex
Infinity Inc
Justice League
Legion of Super-Heroes
the Question
Secret Origins
the Shadow
the Spectre
Superman
Swamp Thing
Tales of the Legion of Super-Heroes (original material)
Teen Titans Spotlight
Vigilante
Wonder Woman
Young All-Stars
22 titles
DC was reinvigorated and exciting post-Crisis. Sure, there were the hiccups everyone has noted, but overall, it was a story that had never been done before on a scale like that and it really shook up DC and the industry.
As far as the multiple earths, I agree that is a solid concept that should have never been abolished. Cramming everything onto one earth felt wrong. Interviews stated that the concept was over-used but I sure don't remember that. Of course there were the annual JLA/JSA crossovers, but I don't remember anytime the multiple earths concept was used more than sparingly here or there.
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Apr 10, 2016 15:21:16 GMT -5
COIE was years before I was born, but I doubt my father would have kept reading comics at all after the Liefieldization of Marvel in the early 90s or that my older sister would have been subscribed to triangle era Superman without it. So my only exposure to comics coming out during the 90s would have been Archie and his love triangle (again reading my sister's comics) if not for COIE. I was not happy when I finally became old enough to buy my own comics and found that Marvel's stuff was much worse than it was when my father was buying in the 80s and DC's stuff was so much worse than what my sister had been buying in the 90s. Looking back I still think DC was at its best during the 90s.
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Post by Action Ace on Apr 10, 2016 18:02:47 GMT -5
COIE was a epic mistake that deserves to be chucked into the dustbin of history. On the other hand, it is the best looking art I have ever seen in any comic book. I'm going to assume that your love of Superman was something born out of the Crisis reboot. You can't have it both ways, that iteration would never have come to pass without COIE. It would have been born out of the Super Friends cartoon in 1974. |
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Post by spoon on Apr 10, 2016 18:14:55 GMT -5
I started reading comics during COIE, so it's really hard for me to get outraged over the changes Crisis wrought. I don't have the emotional connection reading pre-Crisis as back issues, then I would if I read them as I came out. Also, the series that I later purchased the most pre-Crisis issues of (Green Lantern, New Teen Titans, and Legion of Super-Heroes) were not as disrupted as others. The Superboy/Supergirl connection to LOSH was altered somewhat, but that's not a major draw to me for LOSH. Also, I didn't start collecting any era of Legion until way after, so it's all history to me.
Getting rid of the Earth-1/Earth-2 dynamic impoverished the DCU. It probably would've been better to keep those separate Earths. On the other hand, I think working the Charlton heroes into the new universe was more beneficial than trying to tell separate Earth-Four stories.
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Post by String on Apr 10, 2016 19:14:23 GMT -5
It was a standard format comic, so newsprint, but be aware if you go for the originals, issue #7 and 8 can be a little pricey in high grade because of character deaths in those issues. -M It's crazy for those 2 issues to be pricey because they're both back. That's back when death actually meant something and was not yet reduced to a gimmick to promote 'character growth'. Also, very dramatic deaths at that. As for Shazam, being a fan, his problem is and remains that he is the red-suited step-child of DC. He is as powerful, mayhap even more powerful, as Superman. (In World's Finest, E. Nelson Bridwell perhaps developed the best explanation for his abilities, that the Power of Zeus augments and enhances all the other attributes). So naturally they are going to be pitted against each other but Superman is always going to come out on top. As for 'goofy', I like goofy. His stories contain an elegant charm and fun to them. Plus, they were good enough to outsell Superman back then which led DC to suing Fawcett in the first place and leading to all this mess. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 11, 2016 6:13:20 GMT -5
I'm going to assume that your love of Superman was something born out of the Crisis reboot. You can't have it both ways, that iteration would never have come to pass without COIE. It would have been born out of the Super Friends cartoon in 1974. My Mistake.  |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Apr 11, 2016 9:09:01 GMT -5
I was never a CM fan either. Too goofy. There is no such thing as "too goofy." Ha! Agreed. I think superheroes, in general, are Goofisaurus Maximus, and have always been goofy in every era, form, and medium. I also think that is a huge strength of the genre, and why I enjoy 'em. Honestly, most of my favorite major non-comic artists have a huge goofy side: Joyce, Duchamp, Mingus, E. E. Cummings. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 11, 2016 9:48:22 GMT -5
Superheroes are inherently goofy. And as a general rule the more "serious" you make them, the goofier they are.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Apr 11, 2016 9:50:13 GMT -5
Right..
Although I agree that the Marvel Family have been poorly served since 1954, with only a couple exceptions.
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Post by MDG on Apr 11, 2016 10:04:04 GMT -5
There is no such thing as "too goofy." Ha! Agreed. I think superheroes, in general, are Goofisaurus Maximus, and have always been goofy in every era, form, and medium. Yeah, and, traditionally (meaning from the Golden Age), there was always a thin line from serious to goofy that superheroes jumped back and forth over, probably more than any other non-humor genre:  This pretty much disappeared when the Silver Age ended; have to check dates, but the death of Mort Weisinger might've been the real end. |
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