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Post by Batflunkie on May 27, 2016 15:03:48 GMT -5
And now people who despise this story because it ties Cap to Naziism are burning copies of the book and filming/uploading it....hmmmm let's protest Nazism by using a tactic the Nazis were really good at-burning books....does anyone see the irony or the sheer stupidity in this? People of this day and age have a very "fast and loose" concept of "irony" anyway, so stuff like the afformentioned "book burning" is not surprising. We live in a society that demands "instant gratification" in an almost "knee-jerk reactionary" fashion that really goes to show how screwed we are as a society |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 15:09:19 GMT -5
Prior to Twitter / Facebook / Instagram, there was a theory that the world was full of imbeciles. Now, thanks to those technologies, we have proof of the theory's correctness.
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Post by Batflunkie on May 27, 2016 15:28:18 GMT -5
What's the phrase? Oh yes, "Ignorance is bliss"
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Post by The Captain on May 27, 2016 15:47:27 GMT -5
And now people who despise this story because it ties Cap to Naziism are burning copies of the book and filming/uploading it....hmmmm let's protest Nazism by using a tactic the Nazis were really good at-burning books....does anyone see the irony or the sheer stupidity in this? -M This is good for me, however, as my mint copy of the book will become more valuable as these folks reduce the supply available. All joking aside, while I see your point, the people burning the copies aren't breaking into stores and taking these issues off the shelves at gunpoint or storming private residences to confiscate the materials as the Nazis did in Germany. They've paid their money for the books and can do with their private property as they please, no matter how infantile or reactionary their actions seem to rational folks. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 15:51:36 GMT -5
And now people who despise this story because it ties Cap to Naziism are burning copies of the book and filming/uploading it....hmmmm let's protest Nazism by using a tactic the Nazis were really good at-burning books....does anyone see the irony or the sheer stupidity in this? -M This is good for me, however, as my mint copy of the book will become more valuable as these folks reduce the supply available. All joking aside, while I see your point, the people burning the copies aren't breaking into stores and taking these issues off the shelves at gunpoint or storming private residences to confiscate the materials as the Nazis did in Germany. They've paid their money for the books and can do with their private property as they please, no matter how infantile or reactionary their actions seem to rational folks. So by buying copies of the book, they are financially rewarding the company for producing something they don't like. Hmm it's getting smarter all the time isn't it? -M |
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Post by Batflunkie on May 27, 2016 15:54:43 GMT -5
All joking aside, while I see your point, the people burning the copies aren't breaking into stores and taking these issues off the shelves at gunpoint or storming private residences to confiscate the materials as the Nazis did in Germany. They've paid their money for the books and can do with their private property as they please, no matter how infantile or reactionary their actions seem to rational folks. At one point, I wanted to burn everything that had to do with Big Bang Theory, because my complete and utter dislike for that show boarders on "sheering loathing". But then rationality kicked in and I saw that it would only be adding to the show's profitability and popularity, which is exactly what they want. Sometimes it's just more logical to do nothing and let the "flame" burn itself out. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on May 27, 2016 16:08:21 GMT -5
And now people who despise this story because it ties Cap to Naziism are burning copies of the book and filming/uploading it....hmmmm let's protest Nazism by using a tactic the Nazis were really good at-burning books....does anyone see the irony or the sheer stupidity in this? -M This is good for me, however, as my mint copy of the book will become more valuable as these folks reduce the supply available. All joking aside, while I see your point, the people burning the copies aren't breaking into stores and taking these issues off the shelves at gunpoint or storming private residences to confiscate the materials as the Nazis did in Germany. They've paid their money for the books and can do with their private property as they please, no matter how infantile or reactionary their actions seem to rational folks. Except it happened in Germany far before gunpoint was involved. But you know what, it also happened in the USA far more recently : it was called the "disco sucks" movement. In the early 80ies, neoconservatives allied themselves with the american church who previously tended to align with the "left", before Reagan. As the neo conservatives were afraid at what they were seing - black people, latinos, old, young, whites, gays, woman, all uniting together on the dancefloor outside of the control of the state and booze sellers, they took action, and with the help of the church, paid many radio stations and news anchors to convy the message that disco sucks, culminating in thousand of people gathering together to destroy disco LPs in the streets. That was 35-40 years ago only, and in most major US cities. This had an interesting side effect in it being the founding moment of house music : when every kind of music involving synths suddenly became "gay" and the dawn of the über male heavy radio rock that died crushed by Nirvana in the early 90ies, suddenly, no one could afford to build a disco band even if they liked the music, because there wasn't any economy left in it. But with all the new Roland machines, you could build a whold band at home and paly something that kinda sounded like disco : house music  So if suddenly american youth united massivly in a collective fascist fever against anything contradicting what they're already familiar with, there's a good chance that we'd soon see the best Nomad comics ever created  |
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Post by DE Sinclair on May 27, 2016 16:38:20 GMT -5
This is good for me, however, as my mint copy of the book will become more valuable as these folks reduce the supply available. All joking aside, while I see your point, the people burning the copies aren't breaking into stores and taking these issues off the shelves at gunpoint or storming private residences to confiscate the materials as the Nazis did in Germany. They've paid their money for the books and can do with their private property as they please, no matter how infantile or reactionary their actions seem to rational folks. Except it happened in Germany far before gunpoint was involved. But you know what, it also happened in the USA far more recently : it was called the "disco sucks" movement. In the early 80ies, neoconservatives allied themselves with the american church who previously tended to align with the "left", before Reagan. As the neo conservatives were afraid at what they were seing - black people, latinos, old, young, whites, gays, woman, all uniting together on the dancefloor outside of the control of the state and booze sellers, they took action, and with the help of the church, paid many radio stations and news anchors to convy the message that disco sucks, culminating in thousand of people gathering together to destroy disco LPs in the streets. That was 35-40 years ago only, and in most major US cities. This had an interesting side effect in it being the founding moment of house music : when every kind of music involving synths suddenly became "gay" and the dawn of the über male heavy radio rock that died crushed by Nirvana in the early 90ies, suddenly, no one could afford to build a disco band even if they liked the music, because there wasn't any economy left in it. But with all the new Roland machines, you could build a whold band at home and paly something that kinda sounded like disco : house music So if suddenly american youth united massivly in a collective fascist fever against anything contradicting what they're already familiar with, there's a good chance that we'd soon see the best Nomad comics ever created As someone who lived through the disco era in America (and before and after), I have to say this interpretation is... interesting. This is the first I've heard, ever, of a shadowy conspiracy to destroy disco. I can attest to the fact that "thousands of people gathering together to destroy disco LPs in the streets" "in most major US cities" is about as accurate as Trump's recollections of thousands in New Jersey cheering the 9/11 attacks. There were a few concerts at stadiums that did something similar as a promotional gimmick to attract concert goers that didn't like disco, but that was about it. "Disco sucks" became popular because a lot of people just didn't like disco. And churches in the US have always tended more towards the conservative, the "right", instead of the "left", regardless of Reagan. Disco was a music fad. A fad that a lot liked, and a lot didn't. As fads do, it came and went. As to anything else regarding it, especially a big conspiracy, I'd like to see your sources. |
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Post by Batflunkie on May 27, 2016 17:13:08 GMT -5
Disco was still radically popular in Europe in the 80's, that's how the "Italo-Disco" scene came about (and how the Euro-Dance genre would play out in the 90's, but that's another story for another time). America still had disco during the same time frame, but it went other another name, "electro funk", and was used as the basis for modern hip-hop and rap
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on May 27, 2016 17:30:11 GMT -5
It's not a big conspiracy, and it's been documented that San Fransisco, LA, Atlanta, Chicago and some other major cities had those ralies. Somewhere they even used a buldozer to destroy a line of records and Chicago had nearly 60000 getting together to destroy the records, and they did come for this sole purpose (you'll easily find accounts of that - disco deolition). Some people think this was only a Stve Dahl thing, but many many radios were actually quite serious about it, in a scary way. I was saying all that from memory, but now I remember it must have started even earlier, in the late 70ies. The connexion with the then new neo conservatives has been documented by the Christic Institute, and correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've been taught, until the Reagan election, the american church supported the democrat candidate, contrary to popular belief.
About more details about the whole affair and numbers, Peter Shapiro's Turn the Beat Around book is universally considered as the most accurate account on disco history and goes deep into this Disco Sucks movement, and it is scary. I initialy learned about its pre publication through The Wire and his blog, and much of it was confirmed by actual disco producers and DJ I've since personnaly met. Disco Sucks became popular because many DJs pushed for it, and their stations were owned bycertain people who held very radical and conservative views regarding minorities and their cultures, and feared when they saw what happened when all those different people started to communicate instead of reproducing the social barriers medias always were keen to perpetuate. Same thing happened in england in the late 80ies with acid house : gang violence was a huge problem n england, but with the raves and acid house, for around five years, the violence decreased massivly when the people started to party together and also took E. Then the governement passed a law (the criminal justice bill) wich mad it illegal to have any gathering of more than 5 people while having repetitive music!
Anyways, the original point stil is that people burned culture in massive gatherings in the USA less than 40 years ago.... :/
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on May 27, 2016 17:37:44 GMT -5
Disco was still radically popular in Europe in the 80's, that's how the "Italo-Disco" scene came about (and how the Euro-Dance genre would play out in the 90's, but that's another story for another time). America still had disco during the same time frame, but it went other another name, "electro funk", and was used as the basis for modern hip-hop and rap Come on now, you know that no electronic music was popular in the US mainstream in the 80ies... It was all about Styx, Foreigner, Metalica and all the macho rock bullshit. Italo was indeed popular in the early 80ies in Europe, but it wasn't about minorities as it was in the USA : disco was the music of blacks and gays and latinos, and every freak who was not welcomed in the proper "fine" clubs, often because of said color or sexual condition. Mainstream US culture had a huge problem with gays in during the 80ies, and Disco Sucks was one of the triggers as it said by association that people who like this music suck as well. I'm not talking about individuals here, but about the underlying social stream that then prevailed. |
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Post by spoon on May 27, 2016 18:01:54 GMT -5
It's not a big conspiracy, and it's been documented that San Fransisco, LA, Atlanta, Chicago and some other major cities had those ralies. Somewhere they even used a buldozer to destroy a line of records and Chicago had nearly 60000 getting together to destroy the records, and they did come for this sole purpose (you'll easily find accounts of that - disco deolition). Some people think this was only a Stve Dahl thing, but many many radios were actually quite serious about it, in a scary way. I was saying all that from memory, but now I remember it must have started even earlier, in the late 70ies. The connexion with the then new neo conservatives has been documented by the Christic Institute, and correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've been taught, until the Reagan election, the american church supported the democrat candidate, contrary to popular belief. About more details about the whole affair and numbers, Peter Shapiro's Turn the Beat Around book is universally considered as the most accurate account on disco history and goes deep into this Disco Sucks movement, and it is scary. I initialy learned about its pre publication through The Wire and his blog, and much of it was confirmed by actual disco producers and DJ I've since personnaly met. Disco Sucks became popular because many DJs pushed for it, and their stations were owned bycertain people who held very radical and conservative views regarding minorities and their cultures, and feared when they saw what happened when all those different people started to communicate instead of reproducing the social barriers medias always were keen to perpetuate. Same thing happened in england in the late 80ies with acid house : gang violence was a huge problem n england, but with the raves and acid house, for around five years, the violence decreased massivly when the people started to party together and also took E. Then the governement passed a law (the criminal justice bill) wich mad it illegal to have any gathering of more than 5 people while having repetitive music! Anyways, the original point stil is that people burned culture in massive gatherings in the USA less than 40 years ago.... :/ Granted, I was only a few months old when Disco Demolition Night occurred, but I think your way off. I'm sure lots of posters remember Disco Demolition Night, but your efforts to ascribe deep political meaning to it, make it nearly unrecognizable. Disco Demolition Night was a promotion by a rock music DJ (to promote himself and his station) and a baseball team owner (to sell tickets for a middling Chicago White Sox team). People who brought a disco record got really cheap tickets to a double-header, and of course, they'd spend money for over-priced ballpark food. The White Sox owner, Bill Veeck, wasn't a minion of a racist, bigoted faction. He was the team owner that brought the second black player (Larry Doby) to the majors when he was the owner of the Cleveland Indians. He simply embraced promotions. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on May 27, 2016 18:23:21 GMT -5
Anyways, the original point stil is that people burned culture in massive gatherings in the USA less than 40 years ago.... :/ Granted, I was only a few months old when Disco Demolition Night occurred, but I think your way off. I'm sure lots of posters remember Disco Demolition Night, but your efforts to ascribe deep political meaning to it, make it nearly unrecognizable. Disco Demolition Night was a promotion by a rock music DJ (to promote himself and his station) and a baseball team owner (to sell tickets for a middling Chicago White Sox team). People who brought a disco record got really cheap tickets to a double-header, and of course, they'd spend money for over-priced ballpark food. The White Sox owner, Bill Veeck, wasn't a minion of a racist, bigoted faction. He was the team owner that brought the second black player (Larry Doby) to the majors when he was the owner of the Cleveland Indians. He simply embraced promotions. What are you talking about?! Where have I said that Bill Veeck was racist or even mentioned him? I just said that there was a disco sucks movement that had thousands of people destroy records in various cities of the USA and that this was much less innocent as a global stream than what single events might have led to believe. US manstream medias have always been instrumental in having the folk htink hte way they do, I don't think there's anything controversial about stating that. It's the same in many western countries, still sadly is. About the specific Disco Demolition occurence though, many scholars have a different opinion. And trust me, as someone who's been playing records in nightclubs for the better part of his last twenty years, I've met Moroder, Nile Rodgers, Cerrone, Arthur Russell collaborators, Tom Moulton, and others, they all sang the same gospel, and they were first line when Disco sucks hit them. The fact remains that consecutively to that, radios stopped playing disco and any sort of electronic music became unfashionable in the US for a good decade (there will of course be some exceptions, as is always the case, but electronic music disappeared almost instantly, replaced by macho rock and pop). I don't understand why you're focussing on the possible racism of some of the weak spirits who went to follow a popular cultural leader telling them to burn culture, when I was merely pionting out that nazi Germany didn't have that monopoly in the 20th century  |
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Post by Action Ace on May 27, 2016 18:37:02 GMT -5
It all makes sense now.
Cap poisoned the airline food!
oooh and you can follow the links to Disco Demolition Night!
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on May 27, 2016 18:43:04 GMT -5
"it's all connected" |
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