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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 26, 2014 17:58:26 GMT -5
I loved Meltzer's reply to what its about... "It's a love letter to the 70s with a modern twist." Really? I don't remember seeing rape shown or implied in DC Silver Age. Yes, as penned by John Wayne Gacy. Thank you for the clarifications, Dubip! BTW, "Zero Hour" should not escape opprobrium b/c I misremembered its subject matter. It is/was the same kind of drek as "Armageddon 2001." |
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Post by Pharozonk on Jul 26, 2014 18:02:39 GMT -5
I rather enjoyed the tie in issues for Zero Hour though.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jul 26, 2014 18:24:10 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, that's been Morrison's modus operandi for basically ever. I feel like I'm swimming against the tide, I really enjoyed Morrisons JLA, X-men, and All Star Superman. There aren't many writers that hit all the time. I like All-Star Superman a lot. It's my second favorite Superman story after the Luthor two-parter in Action #47 and Superman #23. And Flex Mentallo is a minor classic of the 1990s.
But his Batman doesn't do a thing for me, except make me wish I was reading the Bill Finger stories that he's referencing. Batman R.I.P. is a nice-looking book and it's entertaining enough, I guess. It's just not really that good.
I'd much rather read Paul Dini.
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Post by Action Ace on Jul 26, 2014 18:24:56 GMT -5
I liked Zero Hour's tie ins and the Armagededdon 2001 Annuals.
Millennium and Genesis would be the two I least want to read again.
Has anyone mentioned Countdown yet? Or am I the only person in the forum that will admit to reading it.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 26, 2014 18:25:40 GMT -5
I loved Meltzer's reply to what its about... "It's a love letter to the 70s with a modern twist." Really? I don't remember seeing rape shown or implied in DC Silver Age. Yes, as penned by John Wayne Gacy. Thank you for the clarifications, Dubip! BTW, "Zero Hour" should not escape opprobrium b/c I misremembered its subject matter. It is/was the same kind of drek as "Armageddon 2001." I remember Armageddon 2001 being interesting , particularly the imaginary story Annuals. I wasn't privy to the Capt Atom/ Hank Hall switch so it didn't bother me the way it bothered the fans in the know. |
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Post by Action Ace on Jul 26, 2014 18:31:31 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, that's been Morrison's modus operandi for basically ever. I feel like I'm swimming against the tide, I really enjoyed Morrisons JLA, X-men, and All Star Superman. There aren't many writers that hit all the time. I love his JLA, All-Star Superman, 7 Soldiers, Batman saga, Final Crisis, DC 1,000,000, Aztek, Action Comics and he contributed to 52. I have very high hopes for Multiversity. |
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Post by Pharozonk on Jul 26, 2014 18:35:41 GMT -5
Has anyone mentioned Countdown yet? Or am I the only person in the forum that will admit to reading it. I never read due to opinions I heard of it. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Jul 26, 2014 19:57:34 GMT -5
Anybody who read 100 Bullets 50, where Lee first used that painted technique? I didn't remember that. It was cool! It occurs to me that Jeff Loeb's other great strength is a kind of social networking - Artists seem to really like working with him, because he's so good at writing to what they can do, and he can parlay that into getting really good guys to work with him. It's not exactly related to creative talent, (and it's not something that most writers would even THINK about, let alone comics fans) but there's always a social element to the creation of art and I think that it's as valid a skill as anything. It's strange to me how focused comics fans are on story-completely-removed-from-visual-execution, but I guess that schools teach English and they generally don't teach drawing? And since comics criticism is all textual you're going to get purely textual thinkers? Anyway, it seems what Jeff Loeb's doing is fairly obvious and his strengths as a comics writer are REALLY obvious, so it puzzles me why so many comics fans just don't get it - While at the same time having no problem with (say) Grant Morrison, who's stuff is a lot more challenging. That's actually a really good point about Loeb and his ability to court great artists. When we think about the great editors in comics like Archie Goodwin, it wasn't just that he was a great writer or knew how to tell a good story, but that creators sincerely liked being around him and working with him. His personality brought out the best in the people who were working with him, and even when he challenged them, they always felt that he was making the work better, like an encouraging teacher. Even someone like Pat Mills, who never met an editor he ever liked (including himself), loved working with Archie. (Mills has actually expressed satisifaction with current Tharg Matt Smith, so either Pat is mellowing or Smith is really in that top class.) I'm certainly not going to put Loeb in Goodwin's class as far as his creative ability, but very good artists really do seem to enjoy working with him. I can't believe that I'm going to say this, but maybe it's because Loeb actually makes work fun for them. I don't know. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Jul 26, 2014 20:00:57 GMT -5
I liked Zero Hour's tie ins and the Armagededdon 2001 Annuals. Millennium and Genesis would be the two I least want to read again. Has anyone mentioned Countdown yet? Or am I the only person in the forum that will admit to reading it. I made it through 13 weeks of Countdown. I remember absolutely nothing about it. I'm not sure if that's a mental block because it was so terrible. (I still remember almost everything about The Crossing.
Genesis did give us an awesome issue of The Spectre. That's about it.
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Post by berkley on Jul 26, 2014 21:14:00 GMT -5
I'll read Multiversity, but I've become a little jaded about it after all this time. I've never shared Morrison's love for the DCU and its popular icons, and more and more this is sounding like yet another love letter from Morrison to all that, rather than an exploration of the possibilities the whole concept of a multiverse would seem to present. Plus it seems that the New Gods have been dropped from the project, if they were ever meant to play a part in it at all, and the prospect of finally seeing Morrison's definitive take on them was one of the main draws for me - as it had been for Final Crisis, from which they were similarly dismissed.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 26, 2014 22:29:12 GMT -5
I liked Zero Hour's tie ins and the Armagededdon 2001 Annuals. Millennium and Genesis would be the two I least want to read again. Has anyone mentioned Countdown yet? Or am I the only person in the forum that will admit to reading it. I read some of countdown... mostly for the 'space team' of Kyle Rayner, Starfire and Adam Strange... it was OK.. I don't remember it that well, but I don't remember it being particularly bad. |
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Post by foxley on Jul 26, 2014 22:34:17 GMT -5
Four pages in and no mention of Chuck Austen's storyline where the villain's plan was to make Nightcrawler the Pope, then expose him as a mutant while using contaminated communion wafers to disintegrate worshippers and convince the faithful that the Rapture (which the Catholic Church does not even believe in) had started?
Are we sure Chuck Austen isn't an alias for Jack Chick?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 22:40:22 GMT -5
Four pages in and no mention of Chuck Austen's storyline where the villain's plan was to make Nightcrawler the Pope, then expose him as a mutant while using contaminated communion wafers to disintegrate worshippers and convince the faithful that the Rapture (which the Catholic Church does not even believe in) had started? Are we sure Chuck Austen isn't an alias for Jack Chick? That would assume people picked up the book once they saw the name Chuck Austen attached to know what the story was.... -M |
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Post by coveredinbees on Jul 26, 2014 23:45:02 GMT -5
Four pages in and no mention of Chuck Austen's storyline where the villain's plan was to make Nightcrawler the Pope, then expose him as a mutant while using contaminated communion wafers to disintegrate worshippers and convince the faithful that the Rapture (which the Catholic Church does not even believe in) had started? Are we sure Chuck Austen isn't an alias for Jack Chick? It was the perfect plan to discredit the Wafer God. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Jul 26, 2014 23:49:52 GMT -5
Four pages in and no mention of Chuck Austen's storyline where the villain's plan was to make Nightcrawler the Pope, then expose him as a mutant while using contaminated communion wafers to disintegrate worshippers and convince the faithful that the Rapture (which the Catholic Church does not even believe in) had started? Are we sure Chuck Austen isn't an alias for Jack Chick? That sounds bad. But I haven't read X-Men in decades.
Is Chuck Austen the one that's the target of frequent mockery on the Internet because of a lot of dumb ideas in X-Men? Like mutants can't get AIDS?
And that's just ridiculous that he equated the Rapture with the Roman Catholic Church. That is some Grade A stupidness there. Seriously lazy writing that he should never live down.
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