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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 29, 2014 18:16:08 GMT -5
My main issue with 'events' is that if there's ALWAYS an 'Event' happening, then it's NOT an event. It's Wednesday. And if you're ALWAYS changing the status quo, then continuous change IS the status quo, and each change is pretty much meaningless. I hear you on both points. Although I don't mind the events per se, I do believe they are coming too damn quickly, and therein lose their effectiveness. Just look at the push for Inhumanity, leading to the Inhumans push this year, which just got swallowed by Original Sin(there's another I loved) and Joe Maduiera's glacial pace. The other point that concerns me is...How does Earth 616 continue to exist ? The amount of cosmic and global disasters which befall it seemingly monthly defy the ability of our population, let alone the planet itself, to survive...surely. But as stories...I'll give most a go. I'm surprised they don't come faster, actually. The POINT of mainstream comics is to find something that sells (superheroes, romance comics, Richie Rich) and keep making more of that thing until everyone get intolerably sick of it. So why isn't EVERY comic an event book? The big two seem to be showing some small modicum of restraint, and as a comic historian I'm all "You're doing it WRONG! You need to flood the newstands with this stuff until they're hip-deep! There's a tradition, Dammit!" |
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Nov 29, 2014 19:08:58 GMT -5
I should be crying about what they've done with Steve Rogers(but admittedly he is quite a...bland man...love the hero, but not the man under the mask so much), but I'm loving Falcon as Cap. I do get how it hurts when they screw with your favourites, but feel the new ride is worth giving it a shot...and then I can moan my ass off. Yo pak, you have the right spirit. Enjoy the ride. Steve will be back eventually. O I will, I'm just glad we're out of the JR JR issues, as much as I love Kirby these just didnt work for me. I should be crying about what they've done with Steve Rogers(but admittedly he is quite a...bland man...love the hero, but not the man under the mask so much), but I'm loving Falcon as Cap. I do get how it hurts when they screw with your favourites, but feel the new ride is worth giving it a shot...and then I can moan my ass off. I find it interesting when people say that Steve Rogers is "bland", because I always found him to be fairly complex. From his origin as a scrawny, sickly guy who refused to give up his goal of serving and fighting for his country, to his reawakening in a world that was completely foreign to him, to his disillusionment with what his country had become at times but his desire to fight for what was right, and now, he is what he should be, which is an old man who can no longer physically fight the same fight but refuses to give up on doing what it right.
I'm reading the current Cap series, because I've always liked Sam and I think that having him as Captain America will be interesting because he has the same ideals as Steve while not the same life experience. Maybe Steve will be back, or maybe not (if they do some kind of reboot next year, I could see him not, as it looks like they may try to align the cinematic universe with the comics universe and Steve Rogers will probably not survive Cap 3), but I'm along for the ride the whole way, because I look at the symbol of Captain America as being one that stands for justice and not a flag or government despite the name.
Dont get me wrong, I hope I didnt give the impression I hate Cap, in fact its the complete opposite, however the way Steve is handled rarely portrays him as 3 dimensional. In the majority of books he is the Sun Tzu of Marvel, the master strategist. That seems to be his sole reason for inclusion. There are plenty of characters with military backgrounds who could as easily fill this position, Carol and Sam spring to mind, so its one thing that frustrates me. What I love about Steve, and I find this odd myself as I'm not American, is the absolute Mana the man wields. Now Mana is a Maori concept which among things speaks to the way a man comports himself, the universal respect others hold for him (regardless of personal belief), the weight his words have, and the way a room becomes his when he enters the door. Maybe similar to MLK, or John Wayne, or Michael Jordan. People who despite colour, political or religious belief, command respect from a wide spectrum of our communities. I'm not saying Steve is on a level with MLK in terms of "greatness" and certainly dont mean to lessen the works of that man, I'm just trying to explain the concept as best I can. I love that within our Marvel Universe this man stands tall for all the things I wish I had the strength to. I've strived at times, but like all of us I'm only human. Yet to read John Ney Rieber's vol4 was one of the most emotive stories I've ever read. THAT is what comics can and should aspire to IMHO. THAT is why I love this character, and THAT is what inspires me. ...and then you think about the real people in our armed services who really go out there and put it on the line for us every day. Maybe they meant "blond." Ha ha ...and maybe not. I hear you on both points. Although I don't mind the events per se, I do believe they are coming too damn quickly, and therein lose their effectiveness. Just look at the push for Inhumanity, leading to the Inhumans push this year, which just got swallowed by Original Sin(there's another I loved) and Joe Maduiera's glacial pace. The other point that concerns me is...How does Earth 616 continue to exist ? The amount of cosmic and global disasters which befall it seemingly monthly defy the ability of our population, let alone the planet itself, to survive...surely. But as stories...I'll give most a go. I'm surprised they don't come faster, actually. The POINT of mainstream comics is to find something that sells (superheroes, romance comics, Richie Rich) and keep making more of that thing until everyone get intolerably sick of it. So why isn't EVERY comic an event book? The big two seem to be showing some small modicum of restraint, and as a comic historian I'm all "You're doing it WRONG! You need to flood the newstands with this stuff until they're hip-deep! There's a tradition, Dammit!" This is why I posted the above, it feels just like this for me. Since I got back into comics about 7 or 8 years ago there has been a never ending wave of Events, but even the "B" stories are world-shaking. Did you see the Thor-Hercules mini where the world was about to be ripped apart until their last minute save, but it was never commented on anywhere else because the current BIG event overshadowed it. I understand the need to attract business, but the way they swamp us with BIG problems waters down any excitement they could generate. |
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Post by fuzzyblueelf on Nov 30, 2014 4:40:13 GMT -5
I have no problem with characters taking on the mantles of other superheroes.
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Post by gothos on Dec 5, 2014 16:44:42 GMT -5
I didn't mind having Barbara Gordon return to her Batgirl ID. But in one issue of the new series, it was mentioned that all the history that she and Huntress had in BIRDS OF PREY is gone; that Batgirl and the "new Huntress," whoever she is, never met before. (This doesn't keep Babs from punching out Huntress on first sight-- which is something I always expected to happen during their sort-of rivalry over Dick Grayson.)
I understand the economics of rebooting; that new talents are constantly coming in to DC and that the company only wants to try them out on properties that DC already owns. But still-- what's the likelihood that some new rebooting of Huntress is going to be phenomenally popular? Was there really any economic motive in starting a well established character off from zero? At least when Helena Wayne was revised into Helena Bertinelli, that was to avoid continuity screw-ups.
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