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Post by brutalis on Jul 17, 2017 8:04:57 GMT -5
As long as the stories are good and the "Doctor" acts as the "Doctor" then it may work. In that vein, I never really felt Missy was the Master. Perhaps not enough stories to develop her version and yet to me she just never did capture the "Villainous" aspects enough in being the Master.
Personally it makes little difference if the Doctor is male/female/ethnic/etc....as the Time-lords are alien (along with the culture) taking on a human form to interact with us. Might be even more interesting if they went with an alien form in a regeneration. What really matters is that the Doctor speaks to whatever form is taken without blatant ignorance/racism while showcasing all of the inherit greater goodness and hope and dreams and aspirations for humanity.
Who itself as well as all of us watching it have grown since it's conception. What began as a children's show to educate can still speak to and teach children and adults alike. Let's hope for the best from the Doctor and from ourselves...
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 17, 2017 9:36:55 GMT -5
both Moffat and Davies equally excelled at progressing and helped the series, and both dragged it down via catering to sjw garbage, on occasion. I'm still not sure what that even means... Well the bolded part is meaningless drivel, so it's not surprising. |
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Post by tingramretro on Jul 17, 2017 10:56:24 GMT -5
I'm still not sure what that even means... Well the bolded part is meaningless drivel, so it's not surprising. Oh, good. Glad it's not just me. |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 17, 2017 11:16:58 GMT -5
I'm still not sure what that even means... Well the bolded part is meaningless drivel, so it's not surprising. if it was meaningless drivel it wouldn’t get under your skin enough to post that.  but, we could agree that it’s meaningless drivel as much as ‘meaningless drivel’ in your own post was simply faux-dismissive ad hominem cliche milquetoast. as per the usual sjw luvvin' spiceless aquasi-banter.  |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 17, 2017 11:24:58 GMT -5
I see the buzz-word factory is at peak production today.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 12:18:14 GMT -5
People use a lot of words and phrases to simply say us and them (most of it an attempt to justify and/or rationalize it as being something other than the iteration of simple tribalism it is).
As for the matter at hand-I was a big fan of classic Who up through the Peter Davidson years, and watched the first 3 seasons of the new Who and enjoyed them, but dropped out a few episodes into the tenure of Donna as the companion as I just didn't like the character, which rubbed me the wrong way and made the show simply unwatchable for me. My wife started watching during Tenant's second season (with Martha as the companion) and still watches the show (she like the Torchwood & Class spin-off but does not like classic Who at all). I usually watch the first few episodes of each new Doctor and/or showrunner to see if it recaptures me, and I will do so again with the new season, so the current casting choice hasn't affected my feelings for the show at all. If it's good, I'll keep watching, if not, well no loss for me.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jul 17, 2017 13:45:49 GMT -5
This is about my opinion too... as summed up best by this comment I found: When talking about who ruined Doctor Who, "women" is the weirdest way of spelling "Stephen Moffat" I've ever seen. Steven Moffat didn't ruin Doctor Who, he rescued it from the drivel it had become under Russell T Davies. I think both had similar issues towards the end of their runs; namely they seemed to tend towards "bigger and better" over arching stories which occasionally sacrificed the fun of the individual episodes. It was great to have these big season long stories to start with but once you've had one or two it begins to feel like rinse, lather and repeat. I think there has to be a better balance struck between focusing on a larger narrative and stand alone adventures. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 15:51:41 GMT -5
When talking about who ruined Doctor Who, "women" is the weirdest way of spelling "Stephen Moffat" I've ever seen. Steven Moffat didn't ruin Doctor Who, he rescued it from the drivel it had become under Russell T Davies. Steady on old chap... RTD brought the show back to life, so I give him tons of credit for that. I accept that the RTD era of Doctor Who wasn't perfect but on the whole I think I prefer it to Steven Moffat's time on the show. I did think some Peter Capaldi episodes were damn brilliant mind you, especially the Season 10 finale episodes, a lot more of them were poor enough though. But generally, give me RTD's vision of Doctor Who any day. |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 17, 2017 16:37:54 GMT -5
People use a lot of words and phrases to simply say us and them (most of it an attempt to justify and/or rationalize it as being something other than the iteration of simple tribalism it is). As for the matter at hand-I was a big fan of classic Who up through the Peter Davidson years, and watched the first 3 seasons of the new Who and enjoyed them, but dropped out a few episodes into the tenure of Donna as the companion as I just didn't like the character, which rubbed me the wrong way and made the show simply unwatchable for me. My wife started watching during Tenant's second season (with Martha as the companion) and still watches the show (she like the Torchwood & Class spin-off but does not like classic Who at all). I usually watch the first few episodes of each new Doctor and/or showrunner to see if it recaptures me, and I will do so again with the new season, so the current casting choice hasn't affected my feelings for the show at all. If it's good, I'll keep watching, if not, well no loss for me. -M c’mon, don’t straw-man me like that, you’re better than that. I never stated that I had a problem with a woman in the role (which is clear), and in fact wrote on BBC pages the desire for Helen Mirren to be the next Doctor even before she became the 1st female Prospero on film. And I’ve had a long list of desired women to play our fave Timelord since the series was cancelled after Sylvester McCoy. so the tribalism sideswipe doesn’t play. it’s not about ‘if a woman plays the doctor’, it’s about ‘will the woman be someone who liked or loved the series’ as Gomez has said she did, as Capaldi has said he did. I LOATHED Smith for a long time and wondered why, until i read an interview where he admitted he never gave a ( - - - - ) about DW while growing up, and it showed. I’d be happy with Pearl Mackie FFS. BUT, the Beebs has chosen Jodie Whittaker , from BROADCHURCH. she’s done a bit of genre material, but for the most part, it’s been ‘not that.’ the casting seems 'shoehorned'. |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 17, 2017 16:39:34 GMT -5
I see the buzz-word factory is at peak production today. well, since buzz-words and misused stock-phrases are sjw (and sjw affecianado) stock in trade, it behoved me to ‘Speak Italian, when in Rome’. |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 17, 2017 17:01:05 GMT -5
In fact, I'd been hoping since when Matt Smith's tenure was coming to a close that BBC would have chosen Sue Perkins, whom was/is perfect for the role on all levels. stick THAT straw man tribalism in ya'll ears. and i'm not alone in that Sue Perkins Appreciation either: female whovian comments from www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2017/07/16/doctor-jodie-whittaker-replace-peter-capaldi-time-lord-regeneration/Janet Warrior 17 Jul 2017 4:49PMMethinks the Doctor will be a man again once the ratings start to plummet. No offence to Jodie, but the Doctor is a Time Lord, not a Time Lady. I thought they might be softening us up for this with (the excellent) Michelle Gomez being cast as the Master, but the Doctor must be a hero and, therefore, a man.Jennifer Lambert 17 Jul 2017 2:48PMJodie Whittaker You know what we as women are afraid of when it comes to the franchise ...You sucking, so don't! Don't talk to us like we don't know what is at stake here! We do! And this BS about not being afraid of your gender LOOSE IT if you are going to be the damn Doctor then do it but if you meek out, you will destroy everything. Yes, each doctor is different and yet at their core the doctor has a general sameness. I, as a woman, am one of the many you have to win over and I'll be honest I will give you the same chance as I give all the new Doctors 3 episodes! So step up and make me believe you're the Doctor !Hannah Johnston 17 Jul 2017 12:00PM17 year old girl here if they thought I'd be thrilled at the doctor becoming a women their wrong. I'm honestly so upset they've done this, It makes no sense for years the doctor has been a male role and they have never once hinted at him being something different. He was always described as a man with a blue box not a women. Honesty we have strong female character leads in amazing roles, Instead of changing other shows how about you change them. I've been watching since I was a child with my family and this brought me to tears cause I know I won't enjoy this at all. It doesn't even feel well thought out it feels like it was a rushed decision. I hope to god they see sense and change it or at least when they realize they mistake after a season find a way to undo it.GT Johnson 17 Jul 2017 6:56AMThe Doctor has not just come out of the TARDIS, he's come out of the closet. Who knew the Time Lord would become a Time Lady?
Is that called "transgender"? Does it make River Song a lesbian?
Unlucky Thirteen. There's "omen" in the word "women".
I am a modern woman, but I am still old fashioned enough to think the Time Lord should be a man.
I would have liked to see David Bradley as the first Doctor regenerate into the thirteenth Doctor. A recycled Doctor.
That would bring Doctor Who into the 21st century.
Sorry to see Peter Capaldi leave. As far as I'm concerned, the character leaves with him. 💕
Time to give the reboot a rest.
Anastasia Beaverhausen 17 Jul 2017 6:43AMIf a woman had to have been picked, it should have been Sue Perkins. She would have been perfect in the role.mary nuttall 17 Jul 2017 3:31AMThis IS a joke right?Bianca Mitchell 17 Jul 2017 2:53AMOh, well done BBC - way to kill a franchise and betray your fan base. Auntie, I think it's time we moved you to the locked attic as you've clearly become a danger to yourself.
Thank-Heaven for box sets - I'll be watching those after watching the Christmas episode with the last real Doctor.Elizabeth Kirkby 17 Jul 2017 2:42AMI was thoroughly put off Broadchurch thanks, in a large part, to Jodie Whittaker. This is yet more PC nonsense. I still think either Kris Marshall or Idris Elba would have been far better in the role. RIP Doctor Who. |
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Post by spoon on Jul 17, 2017 21:56:50 GMT -5
Steven Moffat didn't ruin Doctor Who, he rescued it from the drivel it had become under Russell T Davies. I think both had similar issues towards the end of their runs; namely they seemed to tend towards "bigger and better" over arching stories which occasionally sacrificed the fun of the individual episodes. It was great to have these big season long stories to start with but once you've had one or two it begins to feel like rinse, lather and repeat. I think there has to be a better balance struck between focusing on a larger narrative and stand alone adventures. That's what I like about several episodes of Capaldi's first season. I liked a lot of the one-off episodes like Mummy on the Orient Express and Time Heist. I also think a lot of the better Tennant stuff were self-contained episodes or two-parter that weren't about some season-long Big Bad. The "can you top this" quality of finding some way to have The Doctor defeat millions of Daleks or Cybermen has less appeal to me than some smaller stories. |
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Post by berkley on Jul 17, 2017 23:40:57 GMT -5
I think both had similar issues towards the end of their runs; namely they seemed to tend towards "bigger and better" over arching stories which occasionally sacrificed the fun of the individual episodes. It was great to have these big season long stories to start with but once you've had one or two it begins to feel like rinse, lather and repeat. I think there has to be a better balance struck between focusing on a larger narrative and stand alone adventures. That's what I like about several episodes of Capaldi's first season. I liked a lot of the one-off episodes like Mummy on the Orient Express and Time Heist. I also think a lot of the better Tennant stuff were self-contained episodes or two-parter that weren't about some season-long Big Bad. The "can you top this" quality of finding some way to have The Doctor defeat millions of Daleks or Cybermen has less appeal to me than some smaller stories. I do think that's part of the problem: I suspect it isn't a coincidence that while Moffat was responsible for many of the most outstanding episodes under RTD, once he became show-runner that level of quality wasn't often there. I think the pressure of coming up with some big, important series story-arc that out-does last year's might have had something to do with it. The emotionalism and romance-dramas of the last two companions spoiled the show for me a bit too - I'm blaming the writing there, BTW, not the actresses, who were both excellent. As for the new Doctor, I don't see how it'll work but maybe they'll surprise me. The regeneration thing helps, but we've seen the Doctor as a boy or young Time Lord on his home planet in flashbacks, haven't we? However, maybe they'll come up with some way to make it convincing. I never got the whole Missy/Master thing, I admit: they just seem like two separate characters to me, even though I know they're meant to be the same person. |
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Post by berkley on Jul 17, 2017 23:55:00 GMT -5
BTW, in response to the question in the thread title, I would like to say:
No, I don't like jelly. And don't call me baby.
Sorry, as an Airplane fan I had to get that out of my system.
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Post by badwolf on Jul 18, 2017 9:37:17 GMT -5
That's what I like about several episodes of Capaldi's first season. I liked a lot of the one-off episodes like Mummy on the Orient Express and Time Heist. I also think a lot of the better Tennant stuff were self-contained episodes or two-parter that weren't about some season-long Big Bad. The "can you top this" quality of finding some way to have The Doctor defeat millions of Daleks or Cybermen has less appeal to me than some smaller stories. I loved the mummy episode! It was great to get away from that hideous Danny Pink arc. Totally agree on Davies' fixation with continually topping himself by adding more and more, though the Master finale was fantastic for the most part. |
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