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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 13, 2024 23:55:33 GMT -5
I enjoy Strange New Worlds for the most part, but I hate how they write Spock. The Chapel relationship is weird enough, but the way he's written undermines his entire character arc from TOS through Undiscovered Country. Spock is supposed to be 'more Vulcan than the Vulcans' before his friendship with Kirk and McCoy. By far my least favorite episode is the 1 where he becomes human and all of a sudden his emotions are in overdrive. If the writers bothered to do any research they'd know that Vulcans are not unemotional because of genetics, but because of learned discipline. If anything their emotions are stronger and harder to control than a human's. If they were being at all consistent with canon Spock should have had a much easier time controlling his emotions as a full human than he does normally. Spock's character and the Vulcan race have been sacrificed on the altar of comic relief. It wasn't until the finale of season 2 that I started to think that Pike might not be a good captain. In terms of the season 1 finale, the point was that he had to accept that his time was ending and he would have to step aside fairly soon for the next generation of Starfleet commanders. He and Kirk are equal, but Pike is better suited for his time and Kirk is better suited for his time. After season 2's finale, I'm not as sure of that anymore. Only watched season 3 of Picard because I heard such terrible things about the first 2 seasons. Season 3 coasted more on fanservice than on quality writing, especially once the changeling commander was dealt with, but it did work and I'd like to see the potential 'Legacy' series of the Enterprise G. I did think it was stupid that they expected us to believe that a galaxy-class-style ship could maneuver like an X-Wing. Maybe the point was that it was that specific model of ship that no one else could fly in that scenario and if they had a ship designed to be able to turn it wouldn't have been an issue. The actual maneuvering shown on screen wasn't that impressive to begin with and would have been child's play for the Defiant or even the Constitution Class. I didn't finish Picard yet (waiting for the wife is tricky_ but absent a fantastic finale, I can tell you that the 1st two seasons were much better than season 3. The ending of season 2 got a little weird, but overall it was good stuff. I agree with you about Spock, which is why you really have to watch Strange New Worlds as an alternate time line... Chappell and Ohura are really nothing like their characters in TOS either... I never got the feeling Uhura was a bored genius prodigy, and nurse Chappell is just completely unrelated other than the name. I was reading an article somewhere earlier today that had a great way to look at it... There's a fair amount of Time Travel in Trek..so with people going back and leaving stuff is advancing technology faster than it happened before. That's officially my head canon now  |
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Post by impulse on Feb 14, 2024 11:17:25 GMT -5
I'm hesitant to even start Picard. TNG ended perfectly, and I am extremely hesitant to revisit that for anything short of a unanimously praised masterpiece that nobody knew demanded to be told, and the reviews have been anything but.
I may get to it eventually but relegate it to headcanon.
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Post by GoldenAge Heroes! on Feb 14, 2024 14:10:45 GMT -5
I'm hesitant to even start Picard. TNG ended perfectly, and I am extremely hesitant to revisit that for anything short of a unanimously praised masterpiece that nobody knew demanded to be told, and the reviews have been anything but. I may get to it eventually but relegate it to headcanon. Yeah, I'm a big TNG nut myself. As for Picard, Season 3 is pretty good and ended quite well. The first two are absolute drek in my opinion. Very hard too watch. Unfortunately to truly understand season 3 you have too watch the first 2 seasons. It was especially off putting seeing an old Q for me in the series. Overall, I really found the whole show unneeded, just my take for what it's worth. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2024 14:41:28 GMT -5
I liked Seasons 1 and 2 of Picard.
I absolutely loved Season 3. It's the 10 hour long final Next Generation movie we never got after Nemesis.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 14, 2024 15:52:27 GMT -5
My issue with season 3 (so far) is exactly that... it's a movie that was stretched out to 10 hour long episodes. I'm surprised to hear some much negativity about season 1 and 2.. I really enjoyed both of them. It was nice to see the story of the Federation as a whole move forward, which is so rare in these days of nostalglia and re-makes.
The story itself made sense to me as a logical next step, and I enjoyed the characters... what did people not like? Also, I disagree that you need to watch the 1st 2 to get whats going on with season 3. There is no plot overlap and honestly only a little character overall.. it's a completely new and different plot and the previous stuff is barely mentioned.
I finished Strange New Worlds... it definitely felt like they ran out of ideas. And not a fan of cliffhangers endings, especially THAT cliff hanger. Be interesting to see what they are going for if/when it continues.
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Post by impulse on Feb 15, 2024 9:14:40 GMT -5
Any idea who self-deleted? Did O'Brien lose their transporter pattern?
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Post by shaxper on Feb 15, 2024 10:33:33 GMT -5
I'm hesitant to even start Picard. TNG ended perfectly, and I am extremely hesitant to revisit that for anything short of a unanimously praised masterpiece that nobody knew demanded to be told, and the reviews have been anything but. I may get to it eventually but relegate it to headcanon. Similar but different reasons. I felt TNG ended perfectly and that the TNG films were, all in all, a series of terrible missteps. Thus, if I watch Picard, and I like Picard, won't that require my accepting the continuity of the TNG films? |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 15, 2024 10:36:04 GMT -5
Any idea who self-deleted? Did O'Brien lose their transporter pattern? Chintzybeatnik |
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Post by GoldenAge Heroes! on Feb 15, 2024 13:11:47 GMT -5
Any idea who self-deleted? Did O'Brien lose their transporter pattern? We lost a fellow Starfleet officer. Man down captain . . . Man Down. |
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Post by impulse on Feb 15, 2024 18:09:39 GMT -5
Similar but different reasons. I felt TNG ended perfectly and that the TNG films were, all in all, a series of terrible missteps. Thus, if I watch Picard, and I like Picard, won't that require my accepting the continuity of the TNG films? So, I don't know it this helps anyone else, but I'm happy to share it just in case. I say, accept whatever continuity you want, and throw out what you don't. At the end of the day, this all just imaginary, make-believe stories. None of it is "real" so it only binds you if you let it. If your inner geek needs a headcanon to make it work though, just go with the infinite possible realities and write off the movies as a what-if. We'll have to thank Marvel for making the What-If concept mainstream. I don't think there's anything wrong with saying TNG is its own completed work if that works for you. |
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Feb 16, 2024 2:55:56 GMT -5
To me, the way season 2 of Strange New Worlds ended painted Pike as a bad captain because it goes against everything we've been taught makes a good starship captain since 1966. The most iconic moment of TNG was the cliffhanger where Riker did not hesitate to say 'Mr. Worf, fire' in a similar situation, proving that Shelby was wrong in her criticisms of him throughout the episode and that he was a decisive leader when push came to shove. The problem with the good Kirk in The Enemy Within and the reason he needed to reunite with his evil half is that he wasn't capable of being decisive without that darker half. The one thing that unites every captain is their ability to make the tough calls and live with the consequences. The way Pike acts in the final scene is the opposite of that.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 19, 2024 18:34:13 GMT -5
I'm hesitant to even start Picard. TNG ended perfectly, and I am extremely hesitant to revisit that for anything short of a unanimously praised masterpiece that nobody knew demanded to be told, and the reviews have been anything but. I may get to it eventually but relegate it to headcanon. Similar but different reasons. I felt TNG ended perfectly and that the TNG films were, all in all, a series of terrible missteps. Thus, if I watch Picard, and I like Picard, won't that require my accepting the continuity of the TNG films? Other than some of the plot points with the Borg Queen, and that B4 exists there's not much from the films referenced in Picard. |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 19, 2024 20:12:08 GMT -5
Similar but different reasons. I felt TNG ended perfectly and that the TNG films were, all in all, a series of terrible missteps. Thus, if I watch Picard, and I like Picard, won't that require my accepting the continuity of the TNG films? Other than some of the plot points with the Borg Queen, and that B4 exists there's not much from the films referenced in Picard. Well, Riker and Troi are married... |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 20, 2024 5:36:07 GMT -5
Other than some of the plot points with the Borg Queen, and that B4 exists there's not much from the films referenced in Picard. Well, Riker and Troi are married... True, but that felt like it was going to happen had the series continued. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 20, 2024 6:41:30 GMT -5
Other than some of the plot points with the Borg Queen, and that B4 exists there's not much from the films referenced in Picard. Well, Riker and Troi are married... As they should be!!!  They're Imzadi! |
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