shaxper
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Post by shaxper on Feb 20, 2024 8:00:27 GMT -5
Well, Riker and Troi are married... True, but that felt like it was going to happen had the series continued. I was team Worf and Troi all the way. There hadn't been any forward momentum between Troi and Riker since the first season. I liked them much better as friends. Of course, I'm a huge DS9 fan, and Worf and Troi clearly weren't together by thar point, so... |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 27, 2024 0:15:18 GMT -5
their relationship is quite interesting... it was not as I expected it to be, and very interesting.
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Post by berkley on Feb 27, 2024 0:56:00 GMT -5
TNG started to go downhill a bit for me the last year or two, though I can't recall now what it was exactly that put me off at the time. Whatever it was, I started to lose interest somewhere in those last few seasons and gave up watching at some point well before the series ended.
But this wasn't uncommon back in the days of continuing series designed to last indefinitely with no over-all narrative arc or well-defined end in mind: I remember the same thing happened with the X-Files, for example.
Regarding Troi, I thought she was one of the better TNG characters but unfortunately under-utilised by the writers and/or show-runners. BTW, I always thought she'd be a natural to play Wonder Woman, though possibly too much on the petite side; but otherwise she seemed to have the perfect look for that comics character.
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Feb 27, 2024 5:15:56 GMT -5
Marina Sirtis proved she could be very ungentle in her best role.
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Post by driver1980 on Mar 4, 2024 18:22:11 GMT -5
Credit for this image goes to Alternate Reality Movies (I love it):  Check them out on Facebook, other images include Thundercats, He-Man, a 70s DCEU, etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2024 11:45:25 GMT -5
I was team Worf and Troi all the way. There hadn't been any forward momentum between Troi and Riker since the first season. I liked them much better as friends. The development of Worf and Troi as a couple was most unexpected and yet seemed instantly natural, I thought it was wonderful. Perhaps superficially a bit of "beauty and the beast", but I think it more resonated for a number of us because Worf really does have such depth of character. While he was at times presented with challenges to his loyalties and even more fundamentally the instinctual aggressiveness of his Klingon biology, his tremendous sense of honor and resolve to "do the right thing" brought an extra depth to his character. Having him connect romantically with the gentle and nurturing (and quite literally an empath) character of Troi, and vice versa perhaps showing Troi could have more romantic depth to her I think enhanced her character as well. While Riker and Troi may have been the "safe" attractive young couple pairing, Worf and Troi I think were far more captivating and a shame things seemed to just "neatly" revert back. |
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Post by shaxper on Mar 6, 2024 12:45:30 GMT -5
I was team Worf and Troi all the way. There hadn't been any forward momentum between Troi and Riker since the first season. I liked them much better as friends. The development of Worf and Troi as a couple was most unexpected and yet seemed instantly natural, I thought it was wonderful. Perhaps superficially a bit of "beauty and the beast", but I think it more resonated for a number of us because Worf really does have such depth of character. While he was at times presented with challenges to his loyalties and even more fundamentally the instinctual aggressiveness of his Klingon biology, his tremendous sense of honor and resolve to "do the right thing" brought an extra depth to his character. Having him connect romantically with the gentle and nurturing (and quite literally an empath) character of Troi, and vice versa perhaps showing Troi could have more romantic depth to her I think enhanced her character as well. While Riker and Troi may have been the "safe" attractive young couple pairing, Worf and Troi I think were far more captivating and a shame things seemed to just "neatly" revert back. Well said! And they complimented each other perfectly -- the warrior was exploring his more empathic side in season 7, and the empath was exploring her warrior side in season 7 (especially by moving into command). I also enjoyed it from the Troi/Riker perspective. Sometimes you need to let go of past expectations and seek your best health and happiness. That Riker felt he was "losing" her to someone who was both his subordinate and also more outwardly dominant could have made for rich exploration in an eighth season, as well as any idea Riker may have had that he held "dibs" on Troi while clearly pursuing other women at the same time. |
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Mar 6, 2024 14:45:55 GMT -5
Speaking of Worf, the whole 'Worf-effect' trope may be turned on its head if you assume he became a better warrior as TNG progressed and wasn't all-that good at fighting in season 1. Instead of being the strong guy who gets beat up every week to make the villain look tough, he becomes the scrappy underdog who got back up from all his early defeats and kept training, practicing, and honing his craft until he made himself into the great Klingon warrior of late TNG and DS9.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Mar 22, 2024 9:13:41 GMT -5
William Shatner turns 93 today. Happy birthday, Captain!
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Post by thwhtguardian on Apr 5, 2024 12:29:56 GMT -5
The two part season opening to Discovery's final season finally dropped...and it was a lot of fun. Although I would have rathered a more episodic pace like Strange New Worlds this might be the best long form story they've done as they're playing off a plot point from one of my favorite episodes of Next Generation: The Chase. It'll be interesting to see what they add to that idea.
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Post by moviefan2k4 on Apr 13, 2024 4:39:25 GMT -5
I like some versions of "Star Trek", but not all of them. I think "TNG", "DS9", and "Voyager" were mostly good shows, all in all...but the 2009 reboot film was very disappointing.
Overall, my main apprehension regarding the franchise, is that I don't agree with Gene Roddenberry's philosophy regarding humanity's future. He believed very strongly that in centuries to come, a race of "evolved humans" would arise, that had developed to such a point that all their controversial differences were gone. He was also very critical of religion, once being quoted as deeming it "the substitute for a malfunctioning brain". As both a rationally-minded person regarding our past history, and also a follower of Jesus Christ, I find both his claims to be completely ridiculous. In my opinion, some of the best episodes and movies in the whole "Trek" franchise, involved characters who encountered and wrestled with spiritual concepts.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 13, 2024 9:30:02 GMT -5
I like some versions of "Star Trek", but not all of them. I think "TNG", "DS9", and "Voyager" were mostly good shows, all in all...but the 2009 reboot film was very disappointing. Overall, my main apprehension regarding the franchise, is that I don't agree with Gene Roddenberry's philosophy regarding humanity's future. He believed very strongly that in centuries to come, a race of "evolved humans" would arise, that had developed to such a point that all their controversial differences were gone. Fair enough, but I don't quite see how a humanity that turned its back on all that could divide it and embraced what unites it could be a bad thing. The crew of the Enterprise had people from all over (including other planets), and nobody thought it was a bid deal. To me, as a kid in the '60s, it was the way the future should really be because racism seemed to be gone; as an adult in the '20s, it also the way the future should be because nobody plays identity politics. One humanity, exploring the universe... That would be wonderful, I think. I agree with the latter, as spiritual concepts are such an important part of any culture, be it alien or not. Most religions also try to bring responses to fundamental questions, which is also what the exploration of the universe is all about; there's common ground, there, between the Federation and more religious civilizations. That being said, in that quest for understanding the world around us, there's only one approach that actually taught us what atoms are, how stars work or how our gene expression is regulated: that is the scientific method, which Gene obviously preferred to any other "way of knowledge" (to quote the trendy expression). My favourite depiction of religion in Star Trek was in DS9, where we saw how the Bajoran religion helped unite society despite its rigidity being very frustrating at times. I liked the non-judgemental treatment of it, and it made said religion an important and believable part of Bajor's identity without being a mere plot point. To this day I wish Sisko had married a Bajoran and settled on the planet to fully play his role as the Emissary! His going native would have been a natural development after all these years. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Apr 14, 2024 11:36:56 GMT -5
I originally liked Discovery building on the space seed idea introduced in The Chase...but now it just feels overly decompressed. The original race to find the progenitors only lasted an episode and we are going on three now and nothing new has been added.
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Post by driver1980 on Apr 14, 2024 12:21:58 GMT -5
The idea of humanity being united seemed silly whenever an episode or film dealt with corruption within Starfleet. Okay, Starfleet seemed less corrupt than other organisations (fictional or real), but it did show that the idea of a “unified mankind” seemed a little absurd - I may be overthinking it - when corruption still existed. And if it existed within Starfleet, then it had to also exist in other organisations on Earth.
When I do think about it, the idea of a Utopia within Star Trek seems unlikely.
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Apr 14, 2024 12:34:45 GMT -5
I just beat an old Star Trek game for the first time, Bridge Commander. Unfortunately, the manual firing function stopped working properly for me after a few missions. It would just turn off at random and I'd be left a sitting duck for a few seconds until I reenabled it. It also stopped allowing me to turn on quantum torpedoes even though the Sovereign was supposed to be fully equipped with them. As a result I was forced to jut let the tactical officer do all the shooting. He could fire quantums whenever the forward launcher was lined up, even if I couldn't, so even with AI control he would take out the bad guys a lot faster than I could with just the puny photon torpedoes. I had a lot of problems with the game, from a mission-critical station not spawning until I installed a mod to fix it to many crashes. I know it's a 20-plus year old game, but I really wish it functioned like it was supposed to.
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