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Aug 29, 2016 1:40:58 GMT -5
Post by Snikts and Stones on Aug 29, 2016 1:40:58 GMT -5
Bad: The Psyloke/Kwannon/Revanche debacle. Why Nicienza felt the need to "clear" this up is mystifying...
Bad: Jean Grey was never the Phoenix... Just an editorial parlor cop out to get the original five together again, completely craps on one of the greatest Marvel stories ever, marginalized Maddy to the point of literal redundancy, and was the main vehicle for turning Scott into a horrible emo man child...
I don't know if I can really come up with a good one... Except maybe Bucky's return?
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Aug 29, 2016 2:05:12 GMT -5
Post by tingramretro on Aug 29, 2016 2:05:12 GMT -5
This reminds me of something that had always bothered me about the 1950s Adventures Of Superman show with George Reeves The origin episode shows Eben and Sara Kent (why they changed the names, who knows) adopting and caring for Clark on their farm. Eben suffers a heart attack and dies. Shortly after Clark packs his bags, kisses his mom a tearful goodbye and takes off for Metropolis. For the next 7 years of the show, Clark's mother is never mentioned. He never calls, never writes, never visits, never sends money, nothing. A poor widowed old lady left alone on a farm. That's not the American way that I know of. Supes goes out of his way to help Chuck Connor and his mule deliver a pie to someone in Alaska. Or help Professor Pepperwinkle with his nutty inventions. But zilch for his sweet old mother. Bah Exactly the same thing happened in the movies. Clark's father dies and he leaves for Metropolis, leaving his mother in Smallville. There's a brief mention of her during one scene at the Daily Planet, then we don't hear anything of her again until Superman IV, when we learn that she's just died. He doesn't even mention her in Superman III, let alone visit, despite a sizeable chunk of it being set in Smallville! Incidentally, in what way does "the American way" differ from anybody else's way? |
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Aug 29, 2016 2:07:37 GMT -5
Post by tingramretro on Aug 29, 2016 2:07:37 GMT -5
As for this - "Had it not been for the plague they contracted on their trip into the past, all indications suggested that they would have been around, for a while, anyway." - that was covered in 1978...  I don't know if that was established prior to this story or was first mentioned here. Either way, however, the Kents still wouldn't live to see their son grow up even if they hadn't become ill.Not sure I get why. No need to answer, chris, but thanks for posting this. It reaffirms the wisdom of my decision to stop reading Superman several years previously. If I hear another comics fan talk about how superior the Bronze Age was to the Silver, this will be Exhibit A to the contrary. Kobra? Really? Talk about a D-list villain. And why are only the first "S" sounds in his words hissed? This had to have been the work of a fan-turned-writer who couldn't just leave well enough alone. (Checking) Surprise! It's Cary Bates, he of the Dickensian (in length) and Bulwer-Lytonian (in dullness) "Trial of the Flash" who came up with this horrible goulash. I liked the Trial of the Flash, it was one of the very few stories featuring Barry Allen in which he wasn't dull! |
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Post by tingramretro on Aug 29, 2016 2:13:04 GMT -5
Bad: The Psyloke/Kwannon/Revanche debacle. Why Nicienza felt the need to "clear" this up is mystifying... Not as mystifying as why Claremont felt the need to totally ruin Betsy Braddock by turning her into an Asian ninja in the first place... |
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Aug 29, 2016 3:22:14 GMT -5
Post by Ish Kabbible on Aug 29, 2016 3:22:14 GMT -5
This reminds me of something that had always bothered me about the 1950s Adventures Of Superman show with George Reeves The origin episode shows Eben and Sara Kent (why they changed the names, who knows) adopting and caring for Clark on their farm. Eben suffers a heart attack and dies. Shortly after Clark packs his bags, kisses his mom a tearful goodbye and takes off for Metropolis. For the next 7 years of the show, Clark's mother is never mentioned. He never calls, never writes, never visits, never sends money, nothing. A poor widowed old lady left alone on a farm. That's not the American way that I know of. Supes goes out of his way to help Chuck Connor and his mule deliver a pie to someone in Alaska. Or help Professor Pepperwinkle with his nutty inventions. But zilch for his sweet old mother. Bah Incidentally, in what way does "the American way" differ from anybody else's way? Thought it was pretty obvious I was quoting from the opening narration from the TV show, but once again I must remind myself to use lots of smiley faces so people don't get all bent out of shape      . I remember the term Americana irks you too   |
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Aug 29, 2016 3:24:03 GMT -5
Post by Confessor on Aug 29, 2016 3:24:03 GMT -5
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Aug 29, 2016 3:30:23 GMT -5
Post by Confessor on Aug 29, 2016 3:30:23 GMT -5
This reminds me of something that had always bothered me about the 1950s Adventures Of Superman show with George Reeves The origin episode shows Eben and Sara Kent (why they changed the names, who knows) adopting and caring for Clark on their farm. Eben suffers a heart attack and dies. Shortly after Clark packs his bags, kisses his mom a tearful goodbye and takes off for Metropolis. For the next 7 years of the show, Clark's mother is never mentioned. He never calls, never writes, never visits, never sends money, nothing. A poor widowed old lady left alone on a farm. That's not the American way that I know of. Supes goes out of his way to help Chuck Connor and his mule deliver a pie to someone in Alaska. Or help Professor Pepperwinkle with his nutty inventions. But zilch for his sweet old mother. Bah Exactly the same thing happened in the movies. Clark's father dies and he leaves for Metropolis, leaving his mother in Smallville. There's a brief mention of her during one scene at the Daily Planet, then we don't hear anything of her again until Superman IV, when we learn that she's just died. He doesn't even mention her in Superman III, let alone visit, despite a sizeable chunk of it being set in Smallville! Incidentally, in what way does "the American way" differ from anybody else's way? I think you're getting confused here. Clark does indeed mention Ma Kent in Superman III; During the school reunion dance he mentions that she's passed away and that he's having to sell the Kent's farm. I remember this because it's one of the main reasons why Superman Returns can only be a sequel to the first two Christopher Reeve movies, and Superman III must be a different continuity. Because Ma Kent is alive and well in Superman Returns. |
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Aug 29, 2016 4:27:56 GMT -5
Post by tingramretro on Aug 29, 2016 4:27:56 GMT -5
I've never seen the TV show, so I have no idea what the opening narration was. |
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Aug 29, 2016 4:30:28 GMT -5
Post by tingramretro on Aug 29, 2016 4:30:28 GMT -5
Exactly the same thing happened in the movies. Clark's father dies and he leaves for Metropolis, leaving his mother in Smallville. There's a brief mention of her during one scene at the Daily Planet, then we don't hear anything of her again until Superman IV, when we learn that she's just died. He doesn't even mention her in Superman III, let alone visit, despite a sizeable chunk of it being set in Smallville! Incidentally, in what way does "the American way" differ from anybody else's way? I think you're getting confused here. Clark does indeed mention Ma Kent in Superman III; During the school reunion dance he mentions that she's passed away and that he's having to sell the Kent's farm. I remember this because it's one of the main reasons why Superman Returns can only be a sequel to the first two Christopher Reeve movies, and Superman III must be a different continuity. Because Ma Kent is alive and well in Superman Returns. I genuinely cannot recall that scene. I'll have to watch it again... Never actually seen Superman Returns all the way through; it just doesn't seem able to hold my attention for more than about five minutes. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Aug 29, 2016 4:35:46 GMT -5
Here you go. They used the same intro in all 6 seasons (I think it was 6) the last 4 seasons in color. They shot those color shows, weirdly enough, even though no one had color TV at the time
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Aug 29, 2016 5:08:40 GMT -5
Post by tingramretro on Aug 29, 2016 5:08:40 GMT -5
Here you go. They used the same intro in all 6 seasons (I think it was 6) the last 4 seasons in color. They shot those color shows, weirdly enough, even though no one had color TV at the time Thanks, never seen any of that before. The Batman TV show was forever being shown on ITV over here in the 70s, but I'm not sure we ever got to see Superman. |
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Aug 29, 2016 6:00:38 GMT -5
Post by Snikts and Stones on Aug 29, 2016 6:00:38 GMT -5
Bad: The Psyloke/Kwannon/Revanche debacle. Why Nicienza felt the need to "clear" this up is mystifying... Not as mystifying as why Claremont felt the need to totally ruin Betsy Braddock by turning her into an Asian ninja in the first place... You are of course correct, I'm a bit of a Claremont apologist sometimes...👍🏻 |
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Aug 29, 2016 6:15:48 GMT -5
Post by Icctrombone on Aug 29, 2016 6:15:48 GMT -5
Well, it seems some extended quotage and a few bits of emphasis didn't come through somehow. Still learning how this thing works. Hey 2amchris, welcome to the forum.  |
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Aug 29, 2016 6:17:34 GMT -5
Post by Icctrombone on Aug 29, 2016 6:17:34 GMT -5
This reminds me of something that had always bothered me about the 1950s Adventures Of Superman show with George Reeves The origin episode shows Eben and Sara Kent (why they changed the names, who knows) adopting and caring for Clark on their farm. Eben suffers a heart attack and dies. Shortly after Clark packs his bags, kisses his mom a tearful goodbye and takes off for Metropolis. For the next 7 years of the show, Clark's mother is never mentioned. He never calls, never writes, never visits, never sends money, nothing. A poor widowed old lady left alone on a farm. That's not the American way that I know of. Supes goes out of his way to help Chuck Connor and his mule deliver a pie to someone in Alaska. Or help Professor Pepperwinkle with his nutty inventions. But zilch for his sweet old mother. Bah Ha, yeah, I'm sure he took care of his mom off panel. Come on, he's the model son. |
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Aug 29, 2016 6:21:47 GMT -5
Post by Icctrombone on Aug 29, 2016 6:21:47 GMT -5
Not sure I get why. No need to answer, chris, but thanks for posting this. It reaffirms the wisdom of my decision to stop reading Superman several years previously. If I hear another comics fan talk about how superior the Bronze Age was to the Silver, this will be Exhibit A to the contrary. Kobra? Really? Talk about a D-list villain. And why are only the first "S" sounds in his words hissed? This had to have been the work of a fan-turned-writer who couldn't just leave well enough alone. (Checking) Surprise! It's Cary Bates, he of the Dickensian (in length) and Bulwer-Lytonian (in dullness) "Trial of the Flash" who came up with this horrible goulash. Not sure you get why the Kents wouldn't have seen their son grow up even if they hadn't gotten sick? Because the youth serum was wearing off and they quickly got old again. Or did you mean something else? Not sure where you saw Cary Bates listed as writer, but page 1 of the story lists Martin Pasko as the writer. Also, it's hard to say whether Pasko came up with the entire story himself, or editor Julius Schwartz got him to write it. Three issues after this one was the infamous story that explained how Superman fools people with a pair of glasses - the Kryptonian glass in the lenses magnifies his super-hypnotism power, so he subconsciously forces everyone to see Clark Kent as frail and delicate (now that's a retcon!). A fan sent that idea to Schwartz, who liked it, so he told Pasko to write it. Pasko didn't like it but wasn't going to turn down a paying job. "And why are only the first "S" sounds in his words hissed?" Exaggerating every "s" in his dialogue would eat up valuable real estate on the page that needed to go to other dialogue. Or something. Side note: Funny you say "surprise" about Bates. He was often called "Mr. Surprise" in the letter columns. Perhaps some day I should do a review of the Trial of the Flash. The full year spent building up to it was utter garbage, but once the trial actually started, things got wild.
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