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Post by starscape on Oct 2, 2016 12:36:10 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 2, 2016 14:46:19 GMT -5
I am blinded by my absolute love for the idea of JLA vs. Avengers that I'm willing to overlook the over crowding of characters. Actually, that becomes a strength because I study the pages on the omnibus that I bought, to see all the Easter eggs. There's one page that has Thor laying out , what looks like Doomsday, in one panel.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 2, 2016 15:47:35 GMT -5
Years back I read Shooter's blog in detail and he stated that he, as well as all of his editors, loved the DC characters and knew that it was poor management over at DC that was the problem. Basically, the creatives knew the score. In today's climate, many of the guys in charge at Marvel and DC grew up as fans and or creators, so their awareness of the cultural significance of their IP's is far greater than the out-of-touch stuffed suits who ran the show in the late 70's and early 80's. The ultimate folks in charge are the execs at Disney and Time-Warner. The stuffed suits never went away. The cultural significance is meaningless as well. All that counts is the financial profitability of the properties within various media formats and satisfying the stockholders The first time I fully realized that was reading a business magazine someone had left on an airplane back in the late '90s. There was a piece on Marvel comics, with plenty of comments by names we recognized... and it was extremely clear that telling good stories was not only not a priority, but not even a variable. It was all about exploiting the intellectual property to make as much money as possible, and lunch boxes and underwear seemed a much better choice to do so than publishing comics. I was aghast!!! |
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 3, 2016 1:19:59 GMT -5
The ultimate folks in charge are the execs at Disney and Time-Warner. The stuffed suits never went away. The cultural significance is meaningless as well. All that counts is the financial profitability of the properties within various media formats and satisfying the stockholders The first time I fully realized that was reading a business magazine someone had left on an airplane back in the late '90s. There was a piece on Marvel comics, with plenty of comments by names we recognized... and it was extremely clear that telling good stories was not only not a priority, but not even a variable. It was all about exploiting the intellectual property to make as much money as possible, and lunch boxes and underwear seemed a much better choice to do so than publishing comics. I was aghast!!! I think that since most of us began this love affair with comics as youn kids, we tend to romanticize all aspects of what these books represent. Every job is a way to make money, pay bills and support families. Any job that doesn't make a profit is eventually shut down. Comics were always about selling underwear and lunch boxes. Now it's about making 100 million dollar movies. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Oct 3, 2016 10:36:26 GMT -5
The first time I fully realized that was reading a business magazine someone had left on an airplane back in the late '90s. There was a piece on Marvel comics, with plenty of comments by names we recognized... and it was extremely clear that telling good stories was not only not a priority, but not even a variable. It was all about exploiting the intellectual property to make as much money as possible, and lunch boxes and underwear seemed a much better choice to do so than publishing comics. I was aghast!!! I think that since most of us began this love affair with comics as youn kids, we tend to romanticize all aspects of what these books represent. Every job is a way to make money, pay bills and support families. Any job that doesn't make a profit is eventually shut down. Comics were always about selling underwear and lunch boxes. Now it's about making 100 million dollar movies. As far as the suits are concerned, that's certainly true, but the same rules need not apply, and often don't, to the fans and even to most creators. There's a dualism when it comes to art and capitalism. People do actually care about these fictional characters and shared universes and have been inspired by them to create actual art that wasn't primarily motivated by profit (Just so we don't get too cynical, here.). |
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 3, 2016 12:06:09 GMT -5
I think that since most of us began this love affair with comics as youn kids, we tend to romanticize all aspects of what these books represent. Every job is a way to make money, pay bills and support families. Any job that doesn't make a profit is eventually shut down. Comics were always about selling underwear and lunch boxes. Now it's about making 100 million dollar movies. As far as the suits are concerned, that's certainly true, but the same rules need not apply, and often don't, to the fans and even to most creators. There's a dualism when it comes to art and capitalism. People do actually care about these fictional characters and shared universes and have been inspired by them to create actual art that wasn't primarily motivated by profit (Just so we don't get too cynical, here.). Well said. I try not to let the money grabbing tactics of today ruin my love for the comics that I grew up with. I found the Avengers movies to be a dream come true. |
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