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Post by Warmonger on Aug 29, 2016 8:43:40 GMT -5
He could definitely be a dick at times, but more than anything, I always just found him incredibly boring. He's the perfect, goody two-shoes Boy Scout who never really wrestles with any sort of moral dilemma. Nothing can really hurt him either to my knowledge. Yeah, kryptonite and magic, but it's not like either has a chance of actually putting a permanent end to him. IDK, guess it's just a matter of preference. I've been a big Punisher fan for decades and a lot of my comic buddies have always given me crap for it. Less so since Ennis' run under the MAX label. I agree that his omnipotence is boring, Oneill tried to power him down, that was forgotten... Bryne did a great job in the reboot, but within 10 years he was planet juggling again.. Agreed with this I know a lot of die hard Supes fans would disagree completely, but Byrne's Man of Steel mini and his run on Superman were the only real instances of me actively finding the character entertaining.
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Post by dbutler69 on Aug 29, 2016 9:10:17 GMT -5
My blood is boiling. There are no words for his behavior here What, have you got a problem with disciplining?
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Aug 29, 2016 9:31:10 GMT -5
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Post by tingramretro on Aug 29, 2016 10:39:44 GMT -5
I agree that his omnipotence is boring, Oneill tried to power him down, that was forgotten... Bryne did a great job in the reboot, but within 10 years he was planet juggling again.. Agreed with this I know a lot of die hard Supes fans would disagree completely, but Byrne's Man of Steel mini and his run on Superman were the only real instances of me actively finding the character entertaining. I'm much the same. As soon as Byrne left and they started pushing him back towards being the all-powerful, always in control character he'd been pre-Crisis, I started losing interest again.
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Post by MDG on Aug 29, 2016 12:00:17 GMT -5
He's the perfect, goody two-shoes Boy Scout who never really wrestles with any sort of moral dilemma. Really? I haven't read a superman story in 20 years probably, but from what I see here it seems like that's all he ever does.
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Post by Warmonger on Aug 29, 2016 12:10:09 GMT -5
He's the perfect, goody two-shoes Boy Scout who never really wrestles with any sort of moral dilemma. Really? I haven't read a superman story in 20 years probably, but from what I see here it seems like that's all he ever does. It's probably been the same time frame for me. I'll be the first to admit that I'm pretty ignorant on the topic of Superman. The character just never really appealed to me. In fact, the only DC characters that I've followed on a consistent basis over the last 30-35 years are Batman, Flash and Swamp Thing. But in my experience with Golden/Silver age Supes and the portrayal of the character following Byrne's run...he just seemed to always have everything figured out from the get-go and was essentially omnipotent. Just made for a really boring read most of the time IMO.
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Post by String on Aug 29, 2016 16:10:18 GMT -5
My blood is boiling. There are no words for his behavior here Normally, I'd try to defend Superman but just look at how sad Krypto looks over Superman's decision. No thought or concern for the dog's feelings either. It's just like Clark to take away any new playmates for Krypto since he's too busy having fake imaginary weddings with Lois to spend any quality playtime with his pet dog.
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Post by Red Oak Kid on Aug 29, 2016 16:40:22 GMT -5
I don't understand why she needs the transparent rocket shell Supes built for her. I thought she had the same powers he has.
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Post by tingramretro on Aug 30, 2016 3:56:44 GMT -5
I don't understand why she needs the transparent rocket shell Supes built for her. I thought she had the same powers he has. I'm guessing that's just part of the punishment, confinement to add to her humiliation. Seems like the kind of thing Sadoman...oops, I mean 'Superman'...would do.
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Post by tingramretro on Aug 30, 2016 3:58:12 GMT -5
My blood is boiling. There are no words for his behavior here Normally, I'd try to defend Superman but just look at how sad Krypto looks over Superman's decision. No thought or concern for the dog's feelings either. It's just like Clark to take away any new playmates for Krypto since he's too busy having fake imaginary weddings with Lois to spend any quality playtime with his pet dog. I don't recall ever seeing him take the poor little bugger for a walk, either. Superman-a dog is for life, not just for Krypton!
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 30, 2016 5:28:48 GMT -5
Normally, I'd try to defend Superman but just look at how sad Krypto looks over Superman's decision. No thought or concern for the dog's feelings either. It's just like Clark to take away any new playmates for Krypto since he's too busy having fake imaginary weddings with Lois to spend any quality playtime with his pet dog. I don't recall ever seeing him take the poor little bugger for a walk, either. Superman-a dog is for life, not just for Krypton! I get the sense that this thread is more tongue in cheek than a serious dissection of the greatest hero of them all. I will say that the above story must be out of context , or maybe the writers really were publishing throw away stories for 11'year olds.
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Post by tolworthy on Aug 30, 2016 6:10:01 GMT -5
I don't recall ever seeing him take the poor little bugger for a walk, either. Superman-a dog is for life, not just for Krypton! Not in the conventional sense, but he is Superman after all. People joke about the cape on a dog, but it serves the same function as a leash. A regular leash is both impractical and unnecessary, since both dog and owner have super speed. But I'm betting that Superman has MORE super speed, so he can just grab the cape when he needs to control the animal. Capes are indestructible, right? So the cape is a leash: a tool for grabbing an inferior by the neck. This solves the problem of how Kryptonians can function as a group on Earth, when each one has such enormous power. How do they keep each other in check from day to day? Superman has more power than Krypto, and (being larger) he probably has more power than Supergirl. Indeed, the power dynamics we see, and the fact that the comics reflect American life in the 1930s-1950s, almost guarantees that Superman has more power than Supergirl. it appears that each Kryptonian wears a cape-leash that they are not allowed to remove (even under other clothing). Social superiors can control social inferiors by the threat of choking them. EDIT: clearly this is the established way throughout the universe. Here is Vartox (an older, more experienced superman, who Superman described as a "force for good" in Superman 375) keeping Supergirl in line. I deplore this, by the way, but simply provide this as evidence that their society is even more violent than ours.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Aug 30, 2016 6:15:47 GMT -5
I knew tolworthy could provide invaluable insight into the Superman mythos. If we could only harness his intellect in the pursuit of knowledge beyond Kirbymania
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Aug 30, 2016 6:28:00 GMT -5
There's an old super-hero trope that when the hero reveals his/her secret identity, his confidant will soon wind up dead. it's a curse, the kiss of death. Does the hero bear responsibility for this outcome? Hard to say. However what Superman did early in 1963 has effected all of us directly and changed the course of history for better or worse Please note that FDR, Truman and Eisenhower never knew Superman's secret
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 30, 2016 7:09:55 GMT -5
There's an old super-hero trope that when the hero reveals his/her secret identity, his confidant will soon wind up dead. it's a curse, the kiss of death. Does the hero bear responsibility for this outcome? Hard to say. However what Superman did early in 1963 has effected all of us directly and changed the course of history for better or worse Please note that FDR, Truman and Eisenhower never knew Superman's secret " If I can't trust the President..." Yeah ask Maryln Monroe that question.
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