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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 10:57:20 GMT -5
Starman #72/73.
The Death of Ted Knight and the Funeral issue that followed.
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Post by starscape on Mar 19, 2017 15:58:33 GMT -5
The death of Captain Monday in Dan Dare (2000AD) was one of my first experiences of death. I waited ages for the reveal of his escape. Then came a back page feature on Mars with a memorial to the good Captain.  Later on, the final issue of Ghost Rider impressed me. You had Zarathos becoming more and more horrible as time goes on. Yet, here he is, in the final stages of his life, and you can see, he is not evil...he is simply the Spirit of Vengeance, driven to fulfill his calling, even when it causes him agony.  |
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Post by james on Mar 19, 2017 16:30:47 GMT -5
The last page or two of FF 244.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 20, 2017 15:06:21 GMT -5
This. This broke my heart. It was bad enough that Hank got himself thrown out of the Avengers, but in this issue ( Avengers # 217) he gets tricked by egghead and ends up in jail with * ahem * egg on his face.    |
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Post by coinkadink on Mar 20, 2017 15:32:00 GMT -5
When Bullseye murdered Elektra in Daredevil #181 - this is my single most favorite comic book of all time. Superb, and the scene when she crawled, dying (after Bullsye stabbed her) up to Matt's apartment was quite heart-breaking. Sure, she came back to life later, but I don't care - as far as I'm concerned the character died in that issue. i never understood how she came back to life. That issue was a heartbreaker for me as well and I never liked the resurrected Electra. She wasn't the same one. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 20, 2017 19:59:01 GMT -5
When Bullseye murdered Elektra in Daredevil #181 - this is my single most favorite comic book of all time. Superb, and the scene when she crawled, dying (after Bullsye stabbed her) up to Matt's apartment was quite heart-breaking. Sure, she came back to life later, but I don't care - as far as I'm concerned the character died in that issue. i never understood how she came back to life. That issue was a heartbreaker for me as well and I never liked the resurrected Electra. She wasn't the same one. I see what you're saying but Frank Miller , himself, brought her back. |
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Post by comicsandwho on Mar 20, 2017 20:44:35 GMT -5
I agree. I believe DC probably wishes they had worked some of the Crisis out differently as well. I remember one of the taglines "Nothing will ever be the same" and it hasn't with the constant reboots and subsequent Crisis events. Crisis was heartbreaking for me in how I enjoyed comics and the way the story affected some of my favorite characters. But, as you said DC had to do something to remain in business. I don't think that DC was teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, and even if it was, I don't see Crisis as the solution. The argument that "people didn't understand multiple earths" never really held water, when talking about comic fans and the fact that it seemed they were talking about "pocket universes" not long after. Losing Earth-2 meant throwing away something that really made DC unique. Maybe something had to be done, but the more I think of it, the more I feel there was probably a more elegant solution. Like the one Schwartz and Fox came up with to explain how there was a new Flash but the old Flash was just as real. You guys are practically reading my mind. IMO, DC should have just 'erased' everything other than Earths 1 and 2. Perhaps a 'more elegant solution' might have been something like the approach that Roy Thomas used for LAST DAYS OF THE JUSTICE SOCIETY; not death, but 'removal'. Maybe the 'post-Crisis' Earth could have existed separately from the others, and some plot device or other could have removed the ability for characters to travel between Earths...or even remember the other Earths' existence. Something that could be left in place or removed as needed. |
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Post by MDG on Mar 22, 2017 13:46:08 GMT -5
I'll steal this from codystarbuck 's Kirby post for this discussion:  |
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 22, 2017 16:19:14 GMT -5
I agree. I believe DC probably wishes they had worked some of the Crisis out differently as well. I remember one of the taglines "Nothing will ever be the same" and it hasn't with the constant reboots and subsequent Crisis events. Crisis was heartbreaking for me in how I enjoyed comics and the way the story affected some of my favorite characters. But, as you said DC had to do something to remain in business. I don't think that DC was teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, and even if it was, I don't see Crisis as the solution. The argument that "people didn't understand multiple earths" never really held water, when talking about comic fans and the fact that it seemed they were talking about "pocket universes" not long after. Losing Earth-2 meant throwing away something that really made DC unique. Maybe something had to be done, but the more I think of it, the more I feel there was probably a more elegant solution. Like the one Schwartz and Fox came up with to explain how there was a new Flash but the old Flash was just as real. DC was never teetering on the brink of bankruptcy. They were a part of Warner Communications, which meant they were well capitalized. They made more money off merchandizing than comic publishing. Their sales had been in the doldrums, though so had most of the industry, through the mid-70s. However, DC was regaining ground by the end of the 70s, as Jenette Kahn, Paul Levitz, and Dick Giordano brought change. By the early 80s, they had made some headway and Crisis was originally conceived as a way to celebrate DC's 50th anniversary. it grew into more as more people became involved. There had been an influx of talent from marvel and many of those voices pushed for a change to the multiple Earths thing, as they had problems with it. The fans were used to it, though it was mostly limited to Earth-1 and 2, in the bulk of the cross-dimensional stories. The other Earths appeared sparingly. DC's owners wanted something done about their sales, ; but, that was well before Crisis. crisis is more of a result of those changes, not the instigator. It led to more editorial changes, as books were restarted and revamped, but the spark that lit the fuse goes back to the Implosion. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 22, 2017 16:20:26 GMT -5
I'll steal this from codystarbuck 's Kirby post for this discussion:  |
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Post by coinkadink on Mar 25, 2017 11:26:54 GMT -5
i never understood how she came back to life. That issue was a heartbreaker for me as well and I never liked the resurrected Electra. She wasn't the same one. I see what you're saying but Frank Miller , himself, brought her back. i know I just didn't understand the story of how she was brought back. I was pretty young and I know I didn't like the way it was done and I never read it again. I read the stories leading up to it many times. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 25, 2017 11:42:02 GMT -5
I think I still have the comic, but I remember some mumbo jumbo about energy coming out of ninja bodies and Daredevil used his hands to harness it into her dead body. Mystic comic stuff.
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 27, 2017 9:48:11 GMT -5
Doom Patrol 121 was a great comic that tore at your heart without layig on a surfeit of goopy melodrama. Thank you, Arnold Drake. 
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Post by MDG on Mar 27, 2017 9:52:21 GMT -5
Doom Patrol 121 was a great comic that tore at your heart without layig on a surfeit of goopy melodrama. Thank you, Arnold Drake. Ahead of its time--at least at DC--in a couple of ways. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 27, 2017 10:35:32 GMT -5
Doom Patrol 121 was a great comic that tore at your heart without layig on a surfeit of goopy melodrama. Thank you, Arnold Drake. Ahead of its time--at least at DC--in a couple of ways. Absolutely! And it was as obvious then as it is now. Hit me like the proverbial ton of bricks. |
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