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Post by Randle-El on Aug 20, 2014 12:07:09 GMT -5
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Post by Hoosier X on Aug 20, 2014 12:40:21 GMT -5
Be fair. "The Dark Knight," despite how great it is at times, does have some seriously dumb (beep) in it.
As crazy as he's gotten, I can totally see where he's coming from on this issue. Christopher Nolan is incredibly over-rated.
And Miller, despite the lowering quality of his work, wrote The Dark Knight Returns and Year One.
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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 20, 2014 12:42:54 GMT -5
No wonder everybody reads Playboy for the articles.
PS: Didn't the sobriquet "Darknight Detective" long pre-date Miller's DK? Was it first used by Denny O'Neil, perhaps?
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Post by shaxper on Aug 20, 2014 12:44:43 GMT -5
Maybe I'm not informed enough about the man, but I wonder if Miller has really grown crazier, or if we're just seeing him from a different perspective now. After all, his take on Batman in DKR was every bit as batsh*t insane as anything he did with All-Star Batman or Holy Terror. Somehow, we just didn't find it as disturbing back then, and so he had no axes to grind and no rants to go on because everyone was kissing his butt.
That being said, I STILL haven't read his Daredevil stuff yet. I need to rectify that soon.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 20, 2014 12:45:04 GMT -5
No wonder everybody reads Playboy for the articles. Beat you to the joke by a whole page, my good man  |
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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 20, 2014 12:49:04 GMT -5
No wonder everybody reads Playboy for the articles. Beat you to the joke by a whole page, my good man I was too busy looking at the picture, I guess.  |
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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 20, 2014 12:49:35 GMT -5
No wonder everybody reads Playboy for the articles. Beat you to the joke by a whole page, my good man I was too busy looking at the picture, I guess. (Why isn't there an emoticon for "D'oh!"? |
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 20, 2014 13:03:53 GMT -5
Maybe I'm not informed enough about the man, but I wonder if Miller has really grown crazier, or if we're just seeing him from a different perspective now. After all, his take on Batman in DKR was every bit as batsh*t insane as anything he did with All-Star Batman or Holy Terror. Somehow, we just didn't find it as disturbing back then, and so he had no axes to grind and no rants to go on because everyone was kissing his butt. That being said, I STILL haven't read his Daredevil stuff yet. I need to rectify that soon. What ? You still haven't read his Daredevil ? Strap in cause I think it still holds up pretty darn well 30 years later. I think Daredevil is the best work he did overall. Have fun ! |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 20, 2014 13:10:00 GMT -5
Well I ain't gonna argue about him with Nolan's Batman. But then I read DKR the one time I bought it and that's it. I think they are quite similar in their versions of Batman. Neither of which I care for.
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Post by fanboystranger on Aug 20, 2014 13:30:46 GMT -5
Well I ain't gonna argue about him with Nolan's Batman. But then I read DKR the one time I bought it and that's it. I think they are quite similar in their versions of Batman. Neither of which I care for. I think what Miller was referring to in that statement was that his Dark Knight stories have a satirical element that isn't present in Nolan's work. Nolan is clearly familiar with Year One, which Miller played straight, but DKR and DKSA definitely have a lot of satire in them. Everybody talks about DKSA's satire, but I think it's every bit as present in DKR, especially in its media and political elements. (And Carrie Kelly's non-existant family, the gangs, etc.) I agree with Miller on this point, but not much else in that interview. |
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Post by Randle-El on Aug 20, 2014 13:41:00 GMT -5
Be fair. "The Dark Knight," despite how great it is at times, does have some seriously dumb (beep) in it. As crazy as he's gotten, I can totally see where he's coming from on this issue. Christopher Nolan is incredibly over-rated. And Miller, despite the lowering quality of his work, wrote The Dark Knight Returns and Year One. Yes, but the merits of Nolan's films wasn't the point. As I said, I can understand him not caring for the movies. My issue with his comments had more to do with the way in which he seemed to imply a kind of ownership over Batman that I don't think is warranted. Yes, he wrote a few Batman stories that are considered classics, but I'd hardly call him the arbiter of what's considered "definitive" Batman. |
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Post by shaxper on Aug 20, 2014 13:52:15 GMT -5
Be fair. "The Dark Knight," despite how great it is at times, does have some seriously dumb (beep) in it. As crazy as he's gotten, I can totally see where he's coming from on this issue. Christopher Nolan is incredibly over-rated. And Miller, despite the lowering quality of his work, wrote The Dark Knight Returns and Year One. Yes, but the merits of Nolan's films wasn't the point. As I said, I can understand him not caring for the movies. My issue with his comments had more to do with the way in which he seemed to imply a kind of ownership over Batman that I don't think is warranted. Yes, he wrote a few Batman stories that are considered classics, but I'd hardly call him the arbiter of what's considered "definitive" Batman. Sometimes, the fandom creates such monsters, though. In the '80s and '90s, everyone pretty much told him he owned the modern incarnation of Batman. We somehow got the stupid idea that Batman leaped from the 1960s Adam West incarnation to DKR overnight. As I've written about extensively in my Batman 300 and Up reviews thread, Denny O'Neil pretty much built the entire post-crisis around Miller. Really, it's the same thing we did to John Byrne, or Todd McFarlane. You treat someone like a god, and they start to believe you. Maybe Miller is the David Lee Roth of comic books. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 20, 2014 14:05:40 GMT -5
Well I ain't gonna argue about him with Nolan's Batman. But then I read DKR the one time I bought it and that's it. I think they are quite similar in their versions of Batman. Neither of which I care for. I think what Miller was referring to in that statement was that his Dark Knight stories have a satirical element that isn't present in Nolan's work. Nolan is clearly familiar with Year One, which Miller played straight, but DKR and DKSA definitely have a lot of satire in them. Everybody talks about DKSA's satire, but I think it's every bit as present in DKR, especially in its media and political elements. (And Carrie Kelly's non-existant family, the gangs, etc.) I agree with Miller on this point, but not much else in that interview. I see what you mean. I kind of got that implied in his statement that he's pretty proud of his Batman to the point that none other are good. But outside the satire, the actual Batman character of DKR (I've not read any of the sequels) is much like Nolan's. As if he's a bit frustrated that Nolan probably looked at DKR as the type of Batman he wanted to do, over say Tim Burtons, or Forever, or &Robin, or any of the other Batman movies, but didn't do what he would have done. Almost as if he had a movie idea but never got to do it, but Nolan did, and Nolan bulit of his Batman. Course this is all speculation. |
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Post by gothos on Aug 20, 2014 16:20:07 GMT -5
All he needs is a red and green striped sweater and a glove with razor blades welded to the fingers. Actually, I think he looks more like Roark Jr, aka "That Yellow Bastard!" |
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Post by paulie on Aug 20, 2014 16:27:32 GMT -5
All he needs is a red and green striped sweater and a glove with razor blades welded to the fingers. Actually, I think he looks more like Roark Jr, aka "That Yellow Bastard!" You're right! Whew! So now we know it is on purpose. |
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