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Post by coke & comics on Apr 15, 2017 22:09:27 GMT -5
Before you get to Days of Future Past, it should be noted there are two versions, the theatrical version and the "Rogue cut". The Rogue cut is an extended edition. As happens with extended editions, some additions are superfluous, but a few greatly improve the quality of the film. On the balance, I much prefer the Rogue cut.
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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 15, 2017 22:57:10 GMT -5
Before you get to Days of Future Past, it should be noted there are two versions, the theatrical version and the "Rogue cut". The Rogue cut is an extended edition. As happens with extended editions, some additions are superfluous, but a few greatly improve the quality of the film. On the balance, I much prefer the Rogue cut. I second this. I've watched it both ways and I like the Rogue Cut better too. Cei-U! I summon the ditto! |
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Post by coinilius on Apr 16, 2017 5:08:45 GMT -5
I like the Rogue cut better as well, except for all the Rogue stuff a a third hybrid cut would be great to see, IMO.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 16, 2017 9:23:02 GMT -5
I thought of that one, but the comment could be specifically referring to the version of Cerebro housed at Xavier's mansion. Sure -- But the way the film ends strongly suggests Magneto won't be the guy to call when Xavier needs remodeling help. Eh. Much of the point of the film is the tempestuous nature of their friendship. They love each other but hate what the other stands for. It's why (and I still struggle to accept this, actually) Charles can tell Raven to go with Magneto while he's on the ground, just having been shot because of Magneto. I have no trouble accepting the idea that Eric will walk through those halls again as a friend before they are divided by circumstance and ideology once more. Sometimes I think their relationship was modeled on Booker T. Washington and W.E.B. Dubois, both respecting each other and fighting for the same cause, but in drastically different ways. |
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Post by shaxper on Apr 16, 2017 9:24:34 GMT -5
Before you get to Days of Future Past, it should be noted there are two versions, the theatrical version and the "Rogue cut". The Rogue cut is an extended edition. As happens with extended editions, some additions are superfluous, but a few greatly improve the quality of the film. On the balance, I much prefer the Rogue cut. Thanks for this! I've not seen the Rogue Cut and look forward to checking it out. |
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Post by Confessor on Apr 16, 2017 10:42:43 GMT -5
Before you get to Days of Future Past, it should be noted there are two versions, the theatrical version and the "Rogue cut". The Rogue cut is an extended edition. As happens with extended editions, some additions are superfluous, but a few greatly improve the quality of the film. On the balance, I much prefer the Rogue cut. Thanks for this! I've not seen the Rogue Cut and look forward to checking it out. There's an extended cut of the very first X-Men film too. I have a double DVD of it that allows you to watch either the cinematic or director's cut. I can't say I remember the scenes from the director's cut really making much difference to the film as a whole, but it's been a while since I last watched it. |
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Post by coke & comics on Apr 16, 2017 12:56:00 GMT -5
Sure -- But the way the film ends strongly suggests Magneto won't be the guy to call when Xavier needs remodeling help. Eh. Much of the point of the film is the tempestuous nature of their friendship. They love each other but hate what the other stands for. It's why (and I still struggle to accept this, actually) Charles can tell Raven to go with Magneto while he's on the ground, just having been shot because of Magneto. I have no trouble accepting the idea that Eric will walk through those halls again as a friend before they are divided by circumstance and ideology once more. Sometimes I think their relationship was modeled on Booker T. Washington and W.E.B. Dubois, both respecting each other and fighting for the same cause, but in drastically different ways. It's all fairly academic as Days of Future Past will confirm the mansion version of Cerebro was built while Magneto was in prison. This movie merely implied his non-involvement. |
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Post by shaxper on Apr 16, 2017 13:10:10 GMT -5
Eh. Much of the point of the film is the tempestuous nature of their friendship. They love each other but hate what the other stands for. It's why (and I still struggle to accept this, actually) Charles can tell Raven to go with Magneto while he's on the ground, just having been shot because of Magneto. I have no trouble accepting the idea that Eric will nwalk through those halls again as a friend before they are divided by circumstance and ideology once more. Sometimes I think their relationship was modeled on Booker T. Washington and W.E.B. Dubois, both respecting each other and fighting for the same cause, but in drastically different ways. It's all fairly academic as Days of Future Past will confirm the mansion version of Cerebro was built while Magneto was in prison. This movie merely implied his non-involvement. I'll keep an eye in that when I watch DoFP again. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 9:33:21 GMT -5
Wait...what? We know he transferred his mind into the comatose body, but how where/when was it suggested it was his twin brother? It is not his twin in any way. Xavier shows video of the patient to students as a clinical study. He doesn't appear to look like Xavier, and certainly nobody remarks on any resemblance. Just re-watched that scene. It's categorically not referred to as a relative - in fact, Xavier describes it as "a case recently referred to me by Moira McTaggart", or words to that effect. The person on the bed could be anyone - could be Stewart, in fact - there's never a clear enough shot to be sure. It was however obvious what Xavier did in his final confrontation with Jean - there was no purpose for "the Mindless One" to be introduced otherwise, so the end-credit scene wasn't much of a surprise, but it still wasn't obvious it was a relative (or even looked like Stewart - his face wasn't shown clearly), so it was a major WTF moment when Prof X turned up to freeze everyone in the airport at the end of Wolverine. Even if it was a relative/whatever, why is the new body crippled and bald? The idea that the body was Prof X's brother or clone or something has just been pulled out of mid-air, and it's not remotely introduced within the film itself |
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Post by impulse on Apr 17, 2017 16:45:20 GMT -5
The idea that the body was Prof X's brother or clone or something has just been pulled out of mid-air, and it's not remotely introduced within the film itself Yeah, it's just one more of the many baffling and boneheaded things in a hot mess of a movie. |
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Post by shaxper on Apr 18, 2017 7:02:35 GMT -5
The idea that the body was Prof X's brother or clone or something has just been pulled out of mid-air, and it's not remotely introduced within the film itself Yeah, it's just one more of the many baffling and boneheaded things in a hot mess of a movie. I suppose that, since they decided to go with a First Class emphasis on Days of Future Past and (I assume) subsequently gave up on giving screen time to this explanation, we have to give them the possibility that an explanation did exist and was just never offered. For example, Charles could just be making people "see" him in a way that looks familiar to them. There was an almost dream-like quality to his reintroduction at the end of The Wolverine, after all. |
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Post by badwolf on Apr 18, 2017 9:42:41 GMT -5
I'm a little behind on the thread...
I generally liked First Class, or maybe I was just happy to see a step up from Last Stand. I didn't understand why they used Azazel, a character from what is probably the most-hated X-storyline of all time, but at least he didn't seem to be a major character. (The tornado dude was supposed to be Riptide, BTW.) I agree that the historical parts didn't seem genuine; there was no "atmosphere." The Hellfire Club looked a bit silly; maybe it's not possible to translate so outre a concept from the comics?
I thought The Wolverine was great, though I was kind of burnt out on the character by that time. I didn't mind the "super" stuff and it didn't feel jarring to me.
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Post by badwolf on Apr 18, 2017 9:44:36 GMT -5
Before you get to Days of Future Past, it should be noted there are two versions, the theatrical version and the "Rogue cut". The Rogue cut is an extended edition. As happens with extended editions, some additions are superfluous, but a few greatly improve the quality of the film. On the balance, I much prefer the Rogue cut. I just watched it and all I noticed was ten minutes or so where they rescue Rogue to take Kitty's place because she was injured. It felt like contractual obligation (for Paquin) and felt that it probably worked better without it. Was there other material I missed? |
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Post by impulse on Apr 18, 2017 12:02:54 GMT -5
I suppose that, since they decided to go with a First Class emphasis on Days of Future Past and (I assume) subsequently gave up on giving screen time to this explanation, we have to give them the possibility that an explanation did exist and was just never offered. For example, Charles could just be making people "see" him in a way that looks familiar to them. There was an almost dream-like quality to his reintroduction at the end of The Wolverine, after all. Yeah, it's one of those things I'm willing to write off without thinking too much about it. Maybe someone punched a time/space wall. Wait, wrong company... maybe there were multiple time travel change attempts from past stories we just didn't hear about. Maybe I thought The Last Stand was sufficiently awful that I'm willing to write it off as an alternate universe story and ignore it.  I didn't understand why they used Azazel, a character from what is probably the most-hated X-storyline of all timeYou'll get no argument from me on that. |
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Post by coke & comics on Apr 18, 2017 15:44:33 GMT -5
Before you get to Days of Future Past, it should be noted there are two versions, the theatrical version and the "Rogue cut". The Rogue cut is an extended edition. As happens with extended editions, some additions are superfluous, but a few greatly improve the quality of the film. On the balance, I much prefer the Rogue cut. I just watched it and all I noticed was ten minutes or so where they rescue Rogue to take Kitty's place because she was injured. It felt like contractual obligation (for Paquin) and felt that it probably worked better without it. Was there other material I missed? There was a lot of added material. For me, the most important stuff was the expanded opening in the future. The theatrical version rushed them way too fast to the point where they sent Wolverine into the past. The extended version actually had somebody raise their hand and ask whether changing decades of history was a good idea. The addition of Rogue was what I found largely superfluous. Its only advantage was to allow for more future story, so the future characters got to do something more interesting than stand around while exciting things were happening in the past. Made it closer to seeming like the future X-Men were part of the movie, rather than a framing sequence. EDIT: A scene-by-scene can be found here: www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=847564 |
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