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Post by tingramretro on May 11, 2017 3:03:01 GMT -5
I classify a comic as being a a publication that has a story with sequential art. Fanzines are publications that have articles and critiques of publications that have stories with sequential art. Just because CBG hire Perez to do a cover doesn't make it a comic Dez Skinn's long running reviews/previews/interviews magazine Comics International was essentially a pro-zine, but it still occasionally featured original comic stories by professional creators. So did Crikey! Would that qualify? Those issues are publications with stories that have sequential art...
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Post by tingramretro on May 11, 2017 3:07:46 GMT -5
As the OP, let me clarify : Professional comic fanzines, like, but not limited to anything put out from the outstanding TwoMorrows, including The Jack Kirby Collector, Alter Ego, Back Issue and other pro-zines including Fantagraphics' The Comics Journal, Amazing Heroes and other from before 2007 like The Buyer's Guide for Comic Book Fandom, Comic Buyers Guide, Rocket's Blast Comic Collector (RBCC), The Comics Readers, Comic Times, Comics Interview, Comic Book Artist, Comics Scene, Marvel Age, Amazing World of DC Comics, Wizard, Comic Collector, etc. Most of the publications listed above are indexed at the GCD (https://www.comics.org/). Could we live with a rule that any publication that is in the GCD is eligible for the cover contest? Does that mean that any publication that isn't wouldn't qualify?
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Post by MWGallaher on May 11, 2017 8:11:39 GMT -5
As the OP, let me clarify : Professional comic fanzines, like, but not limited to anything put out from the outstanding TwoMorrows, including The Jack Kirby Collector, Alter Ego, Back Issue and other pro-zines including Fantagraphics' The Comics Journal, Amazing Heroes and other from before 2007 like The Buyer's Guide for Comic Book Fandom, Comic Buyers Guide, Rocket's Blast Comic Collector (RBCC), The Comics Readers, Comic Times, Comics Interview, Comic Book Artist, Comics Scene, Marvel Age, Amazing World of DC Comics, Wizard, Comic Collector, etc. Most of the publications listed above are indexed at the GCD (https://www.comics.org/). Could we live with a rule that any publication that is in the GCD is eligible for the cover contest? Actually, most of the publications listed are not "indexed" at the GCD. They may be listed as containing a partial reprint from a comic that is indexed, but those publications themselves are not indexed. Consider Marvel Age, one of the most "comic-like", published on the same paper and marketed alongside contemporary Marvel comics, using the same cover artists and characters--no covers available at the GCD, not because they haven't been uploaded, but because the GCD administrators have a policy against including them. GCD-indexed publications (older than 10 years) are already all eligible for our contest, under current rules.
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Post by MWGallaher on May 11, 2017 9:49:39 GMT -5
Some random thoughts:
Pros:
Fanzine covers would probably not only be a tiny minority of entries, but in most contests wouldn't even appear. I could see them being more likely on the (rare) occasion that the contest subject is a particular artist or character, far less likely when the subject is something like "Brains" or "Newspapers" or "Jewels". “Prozines” such as Marvel Age are mostly pin-up style covers, which are less likely to qualify for the contest topic, and less likely to win the contests, I would guess.
Many of these covers are indistinguishable from conventional comics covers with respect to artist, content, design, technique, etc. They look just like the kind of covers we already allow.
We can’t assume that others enjoy participating in exactly the same way. Personally, I usually like the challenge of wracking my brain to dig up an old comic from my memories that fits the contest. Others may prefer to hunt for an eligible cover (as I sometimes do, myself). I used to play by my own “advanced difficulty level”, where my cover had to satisfy both the current and previous weeks’ topics. I don’t think I’d ever pick a fanzine cover for my own entry. But others may have their own approaches to selecting entries, having fun with it in their own ways.
Would I enjoy seeing fanzine entries? Probably, at least in some cases. They’re not likely to be of the “oh, how could I have forgotten that one?” variety, but again, that’s just one of the ways that I like to enjoy the contest, as sort of a competition to remember or locate the “best” example. Others may have their own ways to enjoy the experience, and that’s fine.
Cons:
It complicates the rules. Even if this game has (or should have) no real consequences on our egos or well-being, it’s more fun to play a game according to the rules. We all understand what a qualifying comic is, but we’ve already had to explain the intended definition of “fanzine”. I think that the intention is to allow comics-related magazines with “comics-like” covers, but does this include amateur work, like Alter-Ego issues from the 60’s, or obscure 70’s fan press, or APA-zines? Text magazines, like Marvel’s first run of Haunt of Horror? Music zines with superhero art on the cover? The Monster Times? I’ve seen a Popular Mechanix cover drawn by Dick Giordano—can I use it? PS Magazine, the Army’s Preventive Maintenance monthly, with covers by the likes of Eisner and Kubert?
We don’t need to widen the playing field. I can think of only one instance in the history of the contest (and this may have been back in the CBR days) in which the contest came close to exhausting all of the eligible entries. And topics that are as limited as that one aren’t as much fun…to me, anyway.
We already frequently have participants who post “NOT AN ENTRY” covers when they have a relevant but non-qualifying cover that they want to share. I haven’t seen any complaints about that. Fanzine covers could be posted to the thread like that—we’d all get to enjoy the art, and maybe see something we didn’t know about, it just couldn’t be a winner.
We’re a friendly community here. If changes aggravate any of our participants, even if we personally don’t think it’s a big deal, is it worth changing? Some people might be dealing with issues or conditions that we’re not aware of, and I’d rather be sensitive to that possibility. I dare say that every single one of us here is a little “off” in one way or another, and we should take no pleasure in pushing another’s buttons if there’s nothing important at stake.
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Post by hondobrode on May 11, 2017 11:12:09 GMT -5
I just want clarification is all. Whatever we decide on, then fine. National Lampoon - comic ? Mad Magazine - comic ? The Marvel / Curtis black & white magazines, i.e. Savage Sword of Conan, etc ? As MW Gallaher asks, what about non-comics publications ? I'd love to post some of these non-comics covers like this famous John Byrne Superman cover from Time. In fact, I think I'm going to start a new thread for members to post comic themed covers to non-comic books (excluding fanzines of course - I'd still like them to be eligible for the Contest, even if no one else posts them or votes for them but me)
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Post by tingramretro on May 11, 2017 11:16:27 GMT -5
How on Earth could Mad be not a comic?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 11:34:23 GMT -5
How on Earth could Mad be not a comic? Ask the defunct Comics Code Authority...
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Post by Rob Allen on May 11, 2017 11:55:22 GMT -5
Most of the publications listed above are indexed at the GCD (https://www.comics.org/). Could we live with a rule that any publication that is in the GCD is eligible for the cover contest? Actually, most of the publications listed are not "indexed" at the GCD. They may be listed as containing a partial reprint from a comic that is indexed, but those publications themselves are not indexed. Consider Marvel Age, one of the most "comic-like", published on the same paper and marketed alongside contemporary Marvel comics, using the same cover artists and characters--no covers available at the GCD, not because they haven't been uploaded, but because the GCD administrators have a policy against including them. GCD-indexed publications (older than 10 years) are already all eligible for our contest, under current rules. Very true, most fanzines are not fully indexed; I should have said 'listed' or 'included' in the GCD's database. I was hoping that referring to a neutral third party would be an acceptable way to determine eligibility so we don't have to debate it here. Personally I voted 'yes' because I'm interested in seeing new things, but the voting results are showing no consensus. Since the community isn't fully behind the change, I'm inclined to leave things as they are. The contest is fun the way it is.
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