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Post by hondobrode on May 8, 2017 0:20:46 GMT -5
As I stated in a post in this week's Classic Comics Cover Contest, I've wanted to post fanzine covers before, especially as some of them are original not appearing anywhere else, and yet, according to the rules, we currently only allow "comic books", not fanzines.
Here's the poll I promised to post with it
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Post by MDG on May 8, 2017 5:42:14 GMT -5
I voted "no," assuming that "fanzines" would include things like Amazing Heroes or Comic Book Artist (is that old enough to qualify yet?). My main objection is that comic book covers--at least into the 80s--were designed, ostensibly, to try to appeal the widest group of potential buyers. Fanzine covers are usually made to appeal to fans (posed shots, group shots, jokey situations) that would give them an advantage.
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Post by tingramretro on May 8, 2017 6:04:10 GMT -5
I could have sworn I posted a response to this thread but it seems to have vanished...anyway, I voted yes. As I said (or, apparently, didn't), I don't really understand the term "comic book" anyway, as we don't generally use it here. Comics are comics, wherever and in whatever format they're found.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 8:41:40 GMT -5
No to fanzines because I'm not a fan of those Hondo, and I feel that we should stick with actual Comic Books Only. Fanzines will led us to trouble and I felt it is not fair for those aren't familiar with them. Personally, I don't care for them at all and it's makes it even more difficult for me to vote for.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 9:49:59 GMT -5
I voted NO also. I scrolled thru some old Wizard covers & I realized they have a lot of the iconic poses that would dominate for reasons MDG listed in his post.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 8, 2017 10:17:10 GMT -5
Sure. Why not?
If someone doesn't like it they don't have to vote for it.
I almost used an Amazing Heroes cover.
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Post by Farrar on May 8, 2017 12:46:43 GMT -5
I could have sworn I posted a response to this thread but it seems to have vanished...anyway, I voted yes. As I said (or, apparently, didn't), I don't really understand the term "comic book" anyway, as we don't generally use it here. Comics are comics, wherever and in whatever format they're found. You'd posted your response over in the Perez cover contest thread, in response to Hondo's post there, here is the link classiccomics.org/post/212861/thread to your post |
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Post by tingramretro on May 8, 2017 12:51:02 GMT -5
No to fanzines because I'm not a fan of those Hondo, and I feel that we should stick with actual Comic Books Only. Fanzines will led us to trouble and I felt it is not fair for those aren't familiar with them. Personally, I don't care for them at all and it's makes it even more difficult for me to vote for. How is it unfair? We vote on the art, surely. Familiarity with it is irrelevant. Why would it lead to trouble? |
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Post by tingramretro on May 8, 2017 12:52:03 GMT -5
I could have sworn I posted a response to this thread but it seems to have vanished...anyway, I voted yes. As I said (or, apparently, didn't), I don't really understand the term "comic book" anyway, as we don't generally use it here. Comics are comics, wherever and in whatever format they're found. You'd posted your response over in the Perez cover contest thread, in response to Hondo's post there: classiccomics.org/post/212861/threadAh, that makes sense...my mind is not what it used to be... |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 14:10:15 GMT -5
No to fanzines because I'm not a fan of those Hondo, and I feel that we should stick with actual Comic Books Only. Fanzines will led us to trouble and I felt it is not fair for those aren't familiar with them. Personally, I don't care for them at all and it's makes it even more difficult for me to vote for. How is it unfair? We vote on the art, surely. Familiarity with it is irrelevant. Why would it lead to trouble? Fanzines in my mind is done by unprofessional artists and I consider them an non-official publication that's use to promote comics in many ways shape or form. I just have a difficult time considering them for the contest alone and having said that it's very difficult for me to accept them as they are. If you read the wikipedia link it's makes the contest cheapen and discredit the contest and that's where trouble arises. If we allow them to enter the contest ... my participation will cease to exist and I won't have these covers in the contest and I just can't accept them at all. If you disagree with me - that's fine with me and please don't debate it and I'm sticking to my guns because these publications are done on the spot and generally done by fans from all walks of life. That's term fanzine came from. Sorry, I just can't not accept them at face value. Fanzine Wikipedia was where I sourced my info |
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Post by tingramretro on May 8, 2017 15:13:59 GMT -5
How is it unfair? We vote on the art, surely. Familiarity with it is irrelevant. Why would it lead to trouble? Fanzines in my mind is done by unprofessional artists and I consider them an non-official publication that's use to promote comics in many ways shape or form. I just have a difficult time considering them for the contest alone and having said that it's very difficult for me to accept them as they are. If you read the wikipedia link it's makes the contest cheapen and discredit the contest and that's where trouble arises. If we allow them to enter the contest ... my participation will cease to exist and I won't have these covers in the contest and I just can't accept them at all. If you disagree with me - that's fine with me and please don't debate it and I'm sticking to my guns because these publications are done on the spot and generally done by fans from all walks of life. That's term fanzine came from. Sorry, I just can't not accept them at face value. Fanzine WikipediaYou have some very odd ideas about fanzines. "Cheapen and discredit the contest"? That's absurd. And, speaking as someone who has worked on fanzines and prozines before now, frankly insulting! |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 8, 2017 15:25:58 GMT -5
How is it unfair? We vote on the art, surely. Familiarity with it is irrelevant. Why would it lead to trouble? and I consider them an non-official publication that's use to promote comics in many ways shape or form. I just have a difficult time considering them for the contest alone and having said that it's very difficult for me to accept them as they are. If you read the wikipedia link it's makes the contest cheapen and discredit the contest and that's where trouble arises. If we allow them to enter the contest ... my participation will cease to exist and I won't have these covers in the contest and I just can't accept them at all. If you disagree with me - that's fine with me and please don't debate it and I'm sticking to my guns because these publications are done on the spot and generally done by fans from all walks of life. That's term fanzine came from. Sorry, I just can't not accept them at face value. Fanzine WikipediaHow are covers on Amazing Heroes, for example, done by George Perez of the New Teen Titans when he was working on the New Teen Titans and was one of the hottest pros around done by an unprofessional artist? |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 8, 2017 15:35:22 GMT -5
I'm going to vote yes because I just read a ridiculous reason to vote no
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 19:13:09 GMT -5
Personally, I support MDG notion that I have a hard time dealing with them and in my area - fanzines and prozines were done in a format that I don't find them noteworthy. The problem with these publications that I found some of them in the late 90's without dates and we have a requirement that we can't have covers that been published before May 2007. I just can't accept them and I'm truly sorry that I have a difficult time accepting these at all.
For those who want those entries in you better have the dates clear as a bell and make sure that you hold these covers accountable for our own sake. If you take care of that ... I have no problems accepting them as face value.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 8, 2017 22:30:17 GMT -5
There is a big difference between an amateur fanzine and something like Amazing Heroes or Comics Interview or Comics Feature. I don't think we are talking about some old mimeographed 'zine, done out of a garage; or, a print shop-produced cheapie, run on a self-serve copier and hand-stapled. Even some of those had professional cover artwork, submitted by working pros or future pros. However, if we go that route, what about other magazine covers featuring comic book or comic strip characters? de we include the Time Magazine Superman anniversary cover, or the debut of Ms Magazine, with Wonder Woman?
I have no real preference here. I think there are plenty of professional fanzine covers that could easily fit many themes we've had; but, i also see the point of limiting it to actual story publications, rather than those devoted to news and critical review.
Perhaps we could launch a test run contest with just fanzine covers to gage reaction.
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