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Post by james on Jun 20, 2017 19:43:24 GMT -5
I thought of writing this thread after seeing a post about worst comic art. So now i ask does any one have examples of some classic artists just doing bad art in a comic? One that comes to mind was Neal Adams' The First Xmen book. Just found art so below his usual greatness. Ant others come to mind?
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Post by kirby101 on Jun 21, 2017 8:12:06 GMT -5
No replies. Every artist has bad days, sometimes it's a matter of a deadline rush, health issues or inking problems.
Maybe people don't want to harp on good artists having a bad day.
(I know you didn't intend to be meanspirited)
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jun 21, 2017 8:22:09 GMT -5
It's too bad kirby101 got here first; i was just finishing my sign up for the board and hated seeing this question/topic go unanswered for so long... made me sad.
However, at least in my case, kirby101 is incorrect. Because I was an artist, back when. For more than one big company. And there are plenty of examples for james one could cite, so I'll cite a few... Which weren't bad days, merely 'emperor's new clothes' crap days.
Bill Sienkiewicz: loved him since Moon Knight, but Stray Toasters was self-indulgent simian-faeces flung from the pseudo-modern-art monkey cage.
Dave McKean: Violent Cases and Black Orchid were a wonderment to be cherished. Mr. Punch was a syphillitic tongue kiss from a leprous $2 back alley 'courtesan', dressed in wannabe 'deep and conceptual' mata hari clothes.
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Post by kirby101 on Jun 21, 2017 8:39:24 GMT -5
But loathsware, you are not talking about bad art, you are talking about creative directions that you didn't like. Stray Toasters  |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jun 21, 2017 8:51:59 GMT -5
that's the problem; any art, no matter how bad, can be defended by the 'you just don't like it personally' angle. which I grant you is fab for roundtable analysis discussions of hockney and koons etc., but when you level that one here, you basically gut the 'worst panel of all time' thread, etc.
I must be in keeping with james, the thread author.
also your posted page is lovely, but many other pages weren't. though i challenge you to post a Mr. Punch page as delicate as the one above, lol.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jun 21, 2017 10:24:51 GMT -5
To be fair to kirby101 (possibly backing kirby's point, also), I must disagree with james' reaction to Neal Adams' The First Xmen book, despite being repelled by the 'new Adams look' in that publication. Because my initial revulsion comes from semiotics: I see the name Adams, I think of X-Men #56, the grandeur of that 1st middle eastern splash page, which is what my 'mind's eye' is prepped for, then i see neanderthals and denisovians.
it's a rude (aesthetic) shock, like expecting to take a swig of orange juice, but instead having eggnog swill around in your mouth.
but hey, they eggnog's still pretty tasty. And if that The First Xmen stuff had been done by a newcomer named 'Bertold Bukowski', with an anthropological degree from Santa Cruz, using knowledge of current DNA testing to make a subtextual genomic statement in art about 'genome wars', we'd all applaud it.
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Post by kirby101 on Jun 21, 2017 10:33:38 GMT -5
I'll grant you Mr. Punch might have been an experiment that went awry.
I might be more forgiving than you of good artist pushing the medium, even if it doesn't always succeed.
My initial post was also my thinking on why, after 2 days, nobody had responded to this thread.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jun 21, 2017 11:08:58 GMT -5
I'll grant you Mr. Punch might have been an experiment that went awry. I might be more forgiving than you of good artist pushing the medium, even if it doesn't always succeed. My initial post was also my thinking on why, after 2 days, nobody had responded to this thread. because nobody wants to p**s off freelancers they might later want to buy art from, lol. John Byrne can peruse these comments, or (not that it matters) Chris Ware or Bechdel. But that shouldn't accidentally sent a somewhat sjw'ish chill down any member's spine, as it seems this board was (at least partly) formed as an oasis from '*** hijinx'. meanwhile, i'll add another for james: I've loved Kelly Jones since he began in the indies (with Chrome, if memory serves). His fantasy-batman inked by Ordway is one of my fave artistic expressions in any medium. despite massive reliance upon photo-ref. i love it to tears.  this, however, s***s me to gasps. As badly as the Liefeld Enchantress. For the same reasons. |
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Post by kirby101 on Jun 21, 2017 12:02:25 GMT -5
That is just not good. Batman doing roids.
I thought his recent Swamp Thing with Len Wein was superb though.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jun 21, 2017 12:07:36 GMT -5
That is just not good. Batman doing roids. I thought his recent Swamp Thing with Len Wein was superb though. 100% d'accord!  |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 21, 2017 13:03:54 GMT -5
It's too bad kirby101 got here first; i was just finishing my sign up for the board and hated seeing this question/topic go unanswered for so long... made me sad. However, at least in my case, kirby101 is incorrect. Because I was an artist, back when. For more than one big company. And there are plenty of examples for james one could cite, so I'll cite a few... Which weren't bad days, merely 'emperor's new clothes' crap days. Bill Sienkiewicz: loved him since Moon Knight, but Stray Toasters was self-indulgent simian-faeces flung from the pseudo-modern-art monkey cage. Dave McKean: Violent Cases and Black Orchid were a wonderment to be cherished. Mr. Punch was a syphillitic tongue kiss from a leprous $2 back alley 'courtesan', dressed in wannabe 'deep and conceptual' mata hari clothes. Welcome to CCF, loathes. What work did you do that we might know ? |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 21, 2017 13:04:52 GMT -5
Also, this subject was discussed in a few threads before this one. That might account for the poor turnout.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jun 22, 2017 1:25:41 GMT -5
Also, this subject was discussed in a few threads before this one. That might account for the poor turnout. Well, I looked back as far as to page 9, and aside from 'worst comic panel', I didn't see one, so didn't go farther than page 9, so I just have to back james up on this. Didn't seem 'a few threads before this one', so I feel james was in his critical-thing-rights here. |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jun 22, 2017 1:31:56 GMT -5
Welcome to CCF, loathes. What work did you do that we might know ? LOL, thx, but I'd ask that if you minimise my user-name, employ 'loathesWARE', not 'loathes'. I loathe few (the sheisters) and love many. Regarding your query, well... Answering that 'flat-out' wouldn’t be any fun ~ it would abrogate my anonymity on the board (I don't know your own personal/professional name; i'm sure that anonymity is equally-important to you, yourself ), and worse yet, fail to respect the creative intelligence of the members. >  Since listing a set of titles i've illustrated and high-end writers I've worked for would allow anyone with a half-a-brain to cross-reference in a second and deduce a minimum of 5 names in print, one of which would be ‘me’, ha ha. ho ho. hee hee. So we, as elders to the Gen Y’s, and Millennials, have a responsibility to reintroduce to them the joys of critical thinking, vs. mere lazy-arse ‘anti-platforming’ as was levelled against Germaine Greer, and Millennials have every ability to peruse this site as much as anyone else, even if they have woefully adopted anti-critical thinking preferences. therefore I will drop and post art visual hints here-and-there, and from those, you should be able to grok what you wish to know, if it matters to you enough, lol. I’m sure any ’Neil’ or ’Neal’ would chuckle at that, Please look forward to some ‘riddle-solving art’ in the weeks to come. And I LOVE your posts! |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jun 22, 2017 1:38:08 GMT -5
though you could use 'loathesBECHDEL' or 'BarfsAtPerlin' if you wish; all are gender-neutrally UNTALENTED. and lazy.
politically correct, but never sjw; my credo.
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