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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 9:25:09 GMT -5
Most of the members at my LCS aren't planning on watching it at all and having heard so many negative reviews on this show - I decided not to watch this at all. For what I heard that the acting is substandard and lackadaisical.
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Post by shawnhopkins on Sept 12, 2017 21:27:21 GMT -5
Thanks, Slam_Bradley , for helping me to understand that the critical flop in theaters is actually this television series and not a separate film. Anyway, I'm just utterly confused as to how Marvel screwed this up so badly. If there was ever a media franchise Marvel needed to take off, it's the one intended to prove once and for all that Marvel doesn't need the X-Men anymore. Both on TV and in the comics Marvel has been trying to push the Inhumans as replacements for the X-people for years, now, and it never worked for me... as in not at all, to the point where I actively resent the Inhumans now. They have nowhere the attractive power of the better representatives of the X-Men cast, and while the concept behind their existence is interesting in a comic-book context, it is far more removed from normal people than is that of the X-Men (who are basically "the other" among us, the outcast, the people we loathe and fear for no good reason). The writer actually makes me want to see that series with her introduction, with the description of a cool and complex SF world. This, however, is where things go south : "Basically, it comes down to this: We’re given no reason to like or care about what happens to the royal family. " Yeah, that would be a major problem. It's the one I had with Iron Fist as well (on top of the generally lousy martial arts moves)... we were given no reason to empathize with Danny Rand, who comes across as petulant and childish. No matter how intriguing the TV Attilan may be, no matter how exotic the sets or gripping the action, if we don't care about the characters, the show will stink. Yep, they just don't work as a replacement. "Normal people hate and fear me because when I hit puberty my true nature was revealed, and now everything I touch dies." "I got my powers from some magic mists. They're pretty cool. Humans don't mind me. I dated that guy from the Fantastic Four." "I'm forced to live underground and fight for my very life against powerful entities that see my kind as the end of the human race." "I live in a castle on the moon!" "Despite this I follow the teachings of my mentor and protect humanity, working toward a world where mutants and humans can live in equality and peace." "We had slaves like, until really recently. It's OK, though. They're an inferior species." |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Sept 13, 2017 9:18:27 GMT -5
I honestly don't see why Marvel bothers with network shows in this modern age. With the exception of Iron Fist, the Netflix shows have been praised by fans and critics, and they seem easier to get off the ground seeing as how we have FIVE complete series now.
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 13, 2017 20:07:02 GMT -5
I honestly don't see why Marvel bothers with network shows in this modern age. With the exception of Iron Fist, the Netflix shows have been praised by fans and critics, and they seem easier to get off the ground seeing as how we have FIVE complete series now. Disney has a network to prop up; pure and simple. |
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Post by The Captain on Sept 14, 2017 5:57:56 GMT -5
I honestly don't see why Marvel bothers with network shows in this modern age. Because even in "this modern age", not everyone has Netflix, which means there is a whole segment of the audience that they still want to reach with their programming. As well, the network shows tend to skew more PG (maybe PG-13), while none of the MU Netflix shows could make it in that format without serious changes that would compromise the integrity of the story. They're easier to get off the ground because they are different in two major ways, both of which are positive: 1. They are only 10-13 episodes, instead of the network model of 22. This is where cable/streaming shows shine, in that they tell a tight story without having to pad out a season with filler episodes. Supernatural has suffered from this for years, with each season having at least 5-6 throwaway episodes that aren't any good, don't bear rewatching, and slow the pace of the season down. A show like Stranger Things, with 8 episodes, got down to business and told a great story without wasting time. 2. Cable and streaming services start their shows whenever they want. Game of Thrones Season 7 began in late July, while if that were a network show, they would have held the premiere until September or October. By being able to air shows whenever they are done production, instead of keeping to the old model based on "Sweeps Months" and the like, the cable/streaming shows can be put out to the public much faster. Bonus thought. The other advantage that streaming has, by and large, is they release entire seasons at a time. We don't have to wait from September through May to get an entire season. From day one, we have access to all of the episodes, so we can binge it or slow roll it or get to it when we want, meaning we are in control. I binged DD Season 1 in about 4 days, then did JJ Season 1 in about 10. I moved on to other things, and when DD Season 2 dropped, I wrapped up my other shows and blew through that in less than two weeks. Things seem fresher because we aren't forced to wait seven days between episodes releasing and 8-9 months for the season's payoff. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Sept 14, 2017 7:20:22 GMT -5
I honestly don't see why Marvel bothers with network shows in this modern age. Because even in "this modern age", not everyone has Netflix, which means there is a whole segment of the audience that they still want to reach with their programming. As well, the network shows tend to skew more PG (maybe PG-13), while none of the MU Netflix shows could make it in that format without serious changes that would compromise the integrity of the story. They're easier to get off the ground because they are different in two major ways, both of which are positive: 1. They are only 10-13 episodes, instead of the network model of 22. This is where cable/streaming shows shine, in that they tell a tight story without having to pad out a season with filler episodes. Supernatural has suffered from this for years, with each season having at least 5-6 throwaway episodes that aren't any good, don't bear rewatching, and slow the pace of the season down. A show like Stranger Things, with 8 episodes, got down to business and told a great story without wasting time. 2. Cable and streaming services start their shows whenever they want. Game of Thrones Season 7 began in late July, while if that were a network show, they would have held the premiere until September or October. By being able to air shows whenever they are done production, instead of keeping to the old model based on "Sweeps Months" and the like, the cable/streaming shows can be put out to the public much faster. Bonus thought. The other advantage that streaming has, by and large, is they release entire seasons at a time. We don't have to wait from September through May to get an entire season. From day one, we have access to all of the episodes, so we can binge it or slow roll it or get to it when we want, meaning we are in control. I binged DD Season 1 in about 4 days, then did JJ Season 1 in about 10. I moved on to other things, and when DD Season 2 dropped, I wrapped up my other shows and blew through that in less than two weeks. Things seem fresher because we aren't forced to wait seven days between episodes releasing and 8-9 months for the season's payoff. I agree with all this, but to clarify my comment, I don't think the demographic that still watches ABC, at least in any significant numbers, is the right one to be targeting with a series like Inhuman's. It's my understanding that all the major networks skew older than the various streaming services. Plus, even though Inhuman's is under the Marvel banner, the typical fair that I still see on the network's are a few straggling bland sitcoms, cop and doctors shows and stuff like the return of Will & Grace. To my mind Inhuman's is still niche to the majority of network TV watchers who seem to be very "mainstream" in their tastes. I could very well be off-base here, of course. |
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Post by The Captain on Sept 14, 2017 7:32:34 GMT -5
Because even in "this modern age", not everyone has Netflix, which means there is a whole segment of the audience that they still want to reach with their programming. As well, the network shows tend to skew more PG (maybe PG-13), while none of the MU Netflix shows could make it in that format without serious changes that would compromise the integrity of the story. They're easier to get off the ground because they are different in two major ways, both of which are positive: 1. They are only 10-13 episodes, instead of the network model of 22. This is where cable/streaming shows shine, in that they tell a tight story without having to pad out a season with filler episodes. Supernatural has suffered from this for years, with each season having at least 5-6 throwaway episodes that aren't any good, don't bear rewatching, and slow the pace of the season down. A show like Stranger Things, with 8 episodes, got down to business and told a great story without wasting time. 2. Cable and streaming services start their shows whenever they want. Game of Thrones Season 7 began in late July, while if that were a network show, they would have held the premiere until September or October. By being able to air shows whenever they are done production, instead of keeping to the old model based on "Sweeps Months" and the like, the cable/streaming shows can be put out to the public much faster. Bonus thought. The other advantage that streaming has, by and large, is they release entire seasons at a time. We don't have to wait from September through May to get an entire season. From day one, we have access to all of the episodes, so we can binge it or slow roll it or get to it when we want, meaning we are in control. I binged DD Season 1 in about 4 days, then did JJ Season 1 in about 10. I moved on to other things, and when DD Season 2 dropped, I wrapped up my other shows and blew through that in less than two weeks. Things seem fresher because we aren't forced to wait seven days between episodes releasing and 8-9 months for the season's payoff. I agree with all this, but to clarify my comment, I don't think the demographic that still watches ABC, at least in any significant numbers, is the right one to be targeting with a series like Inhuman's. It's my understanding that all the major networks skew older than the various streaming services. Plus, even though Inhuman's is under the Marvel banner, the typical fair that I still see on the network's are a few straggling bland sitcoms, cop and doctors shows and stuff like the return of Will & Grace. To my mind Inhuman's is still niche to the majority of network TV watchers who seem to be very "mainstream" in their tastes. I could very well be off-base here, of course. While I agree that the audience for the traditional networks skews older, Marvel made this bed for themselves by putting Agents of SHIELD on ABC five years ago. By tying the Inhumans into the storylines for the past 2.5 seasons, and apparently for the upcoming one as well, they need to maintain some synergy in the storytelling. If they had done Inhumans on Netflix, then had AoS pick up from there, they potentially would lose some folks who were not able to see the lead-in due to not having Netflix. We're getting an inferior product, it appears, but they are counting on that being less of an impact than what they can gain from having both shows on the same platform. |
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Post by Rob Allen on Sept 15, 2017 0:35:28 GMT -5
I think a TV series that's released all at once isn't a TV series, it's a really long movie.
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Post by Jesse on Sept 30, 2017 11:34:40 GMT -5
Anyone else catch the premiere last night? It was pretty much what we've seen in the trailers. Some of the casting, some of the acting and some of the writing was not good to say the least. A lot of missteps in general unfortunately. I'll probably still check out the next episode though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 12:25:20 GMT -5
No, Jesse ... I didn't catch it because I've rather watch Hawaii Five-O instead. |
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Post by shawnhopkins on Oct 1, 2017 7:13:07 GMT -5
I watched it. It wasn't really good. It wasn't really bad. It was meh-diocre.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 11:50:03 GMT -5
I've just seen the first episode of the series - and I thought it was appalling - the script, the sets, and the acting, mein gott the acting! Also The fight between Medusa & Maximus' security woman was unbelievably awful |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 18:10:19 GMT -5
My LCS did a poll today and they sent me an e-mail just 20 minutes ago and out of 135 customers entered the store about 64 percent of them thought the show is a disaster in the making.
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Post by rom on Oct 2, 2017 13:34:18 GMT -5
I guess I'm in the minority here because I saw The Inhumans part 1-2 & thought it was fantastic. Really liked the story, characters, effects, and both the Moon & the scenic Hawaii settings. I'm not a huge fan of the Inhumans comics, so am not comparing these to the source material - too much. However, I did like how they kept: Medusa's "living" long red hair (until she got this shaved - LOL); Black Bolt's mute-ness & powerful, superhuman voice; the huge dog "Lockjaw", etc.
Ironically, I have both of The Inhumans Classic Marvel Masterwork volumes that came out several years back, but haven't gotten around to reading them.
For what it's worth, I'm not the typical fanboy when it comes to movies/TV shows based on comics. I seem to have the opposite opinion of many when it comes to these.
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Post by shawnhopkins on Oct 2, 2017 15:44:09 GMT -5
It's kind of funny to think about Maximus's actions as being mainly motivated by a need to get rid of expensive special effects. By the end of the pilot we've abandoned a bunch of freaks and their huge dog living on the moon for some mostly normal-looking people with no dog hanging in Hawaii. They've even started ditching their costumes.
I think one thing that might put people off from the show is that the Inhumans are nowhere near likable. They are arrogant, imperious and cruel. Karnak seems to revel in toying with the help, Gorgon arrogantly and stupidly exposes the Inhumans' existence, Crystal is vapid, Black Bolt's conflicts on Earth all come about because he has no concept that he can't just take what he wants and hurt anyone that gets in his way, for some examples. And Black Bolt seems to be doing a crappy job of running things as his solution to the resource crunch of living on the moon is forcing people to work themselves to death in the mines if they have inferior genetics. It's kind of hard not to see it Maximus's way, although he is obviously creepy, petty and also a bit stalkery with the women on the show.
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