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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 11, 2017 10:55:33 GMT -5
but i wasn't. i feel there's a real question (above), since Atlas became Marvel, and Stan Lee carried over from one to the other. in one way, they're the same company. but in others, they're chalk and cheese. did atlas 'evolve' into marvel, or was it 're-invented'? begging the question is what buzzfeed w-nk-rs do. raising a question is asking other folks in a room to posit their opinions, as i'm doing here. *a* for effort though, Prince Hal  |
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 11, 2017 11:20:09 GMT -5
but i wasn't.i feel there's a real question (above), since Atlas became Marvel, and Stan Lee carried over from one to the other. in one way, they're the same company. but in others, they're chalk and cheese. did atlas 'evolve' into marvel, or was it 're-invented'? begging the question is what buzzfeed w-nk-rs do. raising a question is asking other folks in a room to posit their opinions, as i'm doing here. *a* for effort though, Prince Hal As I said. I'm not taking sides about Atlas and Marvel, just trying to clarify your previous statement. I'm clear about what "raising a question" means. I thought maybe you weren't clear about the oft-misused expression, "begging the question." And I guess I was right. Next time, so that we understand your point, just say that you are raising a question if that's what you're doing. That is all. The language grinch is returning to his aerie.  PS: Why do you associate begging the question w/ buzzfeed w**kers, btw? |
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Post by Rob Allen on Jul 11, 2017 12:48:22 GMT -5
Atlas changed its name to Marvel, just as it had changed from Timely to Atlas earlier. It was always Martin Goodman's comic book line, from 1939 until he sold it. Same company, different names.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 11, 2017 12:52:41 GMT -5
Atlas changed its name to Marvel, just as it had changed from Timely to Atlas earlier. It was always Martin Goodman's comic book line, from 1939 until he sold it. Same company, different names. If you look at the indicia early "Marvel" issues, Marvel Comics was still just an umbrella. Almost every title was technically published by a different company, all of which were owned by Goodman. |
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Post by MDG on Jul 11, 2017 13:42:54 GMT -5
Atlas changed its name to Marvel, just as it had changed from Timely to Atlas earlier. It was always Martin Goodman's comic book line, from 1939 until he sold it. Same company, different names. If you look at the indicia early "Marvel" issues, Marvel Comics was still just an umbrella. Almost every title was technically published by a different company, all of which were owned by Goodman. This seemed to be a common practice--I think some of the EC horror books were published by "Tiny Tot" or "Fables Publishing." Probably some dodge to re-use mailing permits. Cei-U! probably knows how this came about. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 11, 2017 13:49:07 GMT -5
If you look at the indicia early "Marvel" issues, Marvel Comics was still just an umbrella. Almost every title was technically published by a different company, all of which were owned by Goodman. This seemed to be a common practice--I think some of the EC horror books were published by "Tiny Tot" or "Fables Publishing." Probably some dodge to re-use mailing permits. Cei-U! probably knows how this came about. My thought was to limit liability by having different entities on each book. If one corporate entity gets hammered they can't touch the assets of the others. It could well have something to do with mailing permits, however. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 11, 2017 14:34:00 GMT -5
This seemed to be a common practice--I think some of the EC horror books were published by "Tiny Tot" or "Fables Publishing." Probably some dodge to re-use mailing permits. Cei-U! probably knows how this came about. My thought was to limit liability by having different entities on each book. If one corporate entity gets hammered they can't touch the assets of the others. It could well have something to do with mailing permits, however. No, you were right the first time. Many publishers in the Golden Age and beyond used multiple corporate identities, partly for tax purposes, partly so that a failed title couldn't drag down an entire line. Timely, Fiction House, Harvey, Ultem, and All-American all did it. Even DC used several names for its line, including World's Best Comics, Inc., and Superman, Inc. Here's a list of all the "publishers" just for 1940: Ace Magazines All-American Comics Better Publications Bilbara Publishing (Worth) Brookwood Publications Centaur Publications Columbia Comic Corporation Comic Corporation of America (Centaur) Comic Magazines, Inc. (Quality) David McKay Co. Dell Publishing Co. Detective Comics, Inc. (DC) E. M. Arnold (Quality) Eastern Color Printing Elliot Publishing Famous Funnies, Inc. (Eastern Color) Fawcett Publications Feature Publications, Inc. (Prize) Fight Stories, Inc. (Fiction House) Fox Publications Glen Kel Publishing Co. (Fiction House) Hawley Publications Helnit Publishing Co. (Ultem) Hillman Periodicals Hillman-Carl, Inc. Hit Publishing Co. (Worth) Hyper Publications K.K. Publications (Dell) Love Romances Publishing Co. (Fiction House) M.L.J. Magazines, Inc. Nita Publishing Co. (Ultem) Novelty Press Pelican Publications Periodical House, Inc. (Ace) Ralston-Purina Co. Real Adventures Publishing Co., Inc. (Fiction House) Register and Tribune Syndicate Street & Smith Publications Superman, Inc. (DC) Tem Publishing Co. (Ultem) Timely Publications United Feature Syndicate Western Printing Whitman Publishing (Dell) Wings Publishing Co. (Fiction House) Worth Publishing (Harvey) Worth Publishing (Worth) Your Guide Publications (Lev Gleason) Cei-U! Yup, I hadda make a chart! |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 11, 2017 15:00:43 GMT -5
Why was he annoying? I seriously don't get the hate. I think people see him as a token of diversity, a character with an unnecessary message. I didn't find Triathlon the least bit interesting until the Triune story arc came to a conclusion. The double-size issue that finally told his full origin was epic. Just to get back to the point of Triathlon, I guess I disliked him because I always considered the Avengers to be a fair top flight organization and he called into question their integrity. They weren't against him because of his race or religion, they didn't like his ties to the triune church because of their possible criminal activities. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 11, 2017 15:24:58 GMT -5
I think people see him as a token of diversity, a character with an unnecessary message. I didn't find Triathlon the least bit interesting until the Triune story arc came to a conclusion. The double-size issue that finally told his full origin was epic. Just to get back to the point of Triathlon, I guess I disliked him because I always considered the Avengers to be a fair top flight organization and he called into question their integrity. They weren't against him because of his race or religion, they didn't like his ties to the triune church because of their possible criminal activities. Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver were criminals prior to Avengers #16. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 11, 2017 16:32:09 GMT -5
In that storyline, the triune church had also
Already had conflict with the Avengers. Not the same thing.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jul 11, 2017 18:30:47 GMT -5
In that storyline, the triune church had also Already had conflict with the Avengers. Not the same thing. As opposed to Hawkeye trying to kill Iron Man because the Black Widow told him too? (There will never, ever, be a more questionable choice for Avengers membership than Hawkeye. Every time someone says "Character X should not be an Avenger!" I always say "Well, it makes more sense than Hawkeye.") From Avengers # 16 throughout the Silver Age the Avengers had a redemptive element - They weren't so much the World's Greatest Superheroes like the Justice League but a collection of misfits trying to get their life together - I always kinda liked that and was glad to see that make a little bit of a comeback with Triathalon. (Although I didn't particularly care for the character either, strongly disliked the 3-D Man to begin with, and think Busiek's Avengers as a whole is snooooze city.*) loathus... etc... The switch from (Atlas Umbrella) monster, western, and romance books to Marvel superheros felt fairly organic to me - But the distribution crisis where Marvel was only allowed to publish eight titles instead of flooding the market with a gazillion books in whatever genre is popular THIS week felt like a reinvention. I wrote a thing for Comics Should Be Good (RIP) about how Fantastic Four # 1 wasn't so much a straight superhero book as a mish-mash of (then) popular genres. * Most of Busiek's corporate owned work, actually. So it's strange that I love his creator driven stuff so much. |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 12, 2017 0:12:18 GMT -5
but i wasn't.i feel there's a real question (above), since Atlas became Marvel, and Stan Lee carried over from one to the other. in one way, they're the same company. but in others, they're chalk and cheese. did atlas 'evolve' into marvel, or was it 're-invented'? begging the question is what buzzfeed w-nk-rs do. raising a question is asking other folks in a room to posit their opinions, as i'm doing here. *a* for effort though, Prince Hal As I said. I'm not taking sides about Atlas and Marvel, just trying to clarify your previous statement. I'm clear about what "raising a question" means. I thought maybe you weren't clear about the oft-misused expression, "begging the question." And I guess I was right. Next time, so that we understand your point, just say that you are raising a question if that's what you're doing. That is all. The language grinch is returning to his aerie. PS: Why do you associate begging the question w/ buzzfeed w**kers, btw? lol, 'grinch' is too self-deprecating; I'd go for something less pejorative, such as 'advotee' or 'doyen'. I'm glad that you remonstrated me. Remonstration is not a bad thing if it comes from an intent which is productive, as your intent clearly is Although you seem to have been both 'wrong' and 'right'; from your reply above it seems you accept that I knew the difference between 'begs' and 'raises'; I was lazy though, and wrongly-chose 'begs' as opposed to 'raises', and you were in your rights to call me on it. Untitled If I may be so bold, might we embrace the alliterative-prowess of Stan Lee, and substitute 'Sentinel of Syntax' for 'language grinch'? |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 12, 2017 0:15:32 GMT -5
loathus... etc... The switch from (Atlas Umbrella) monster, western, and romance books to Marvel superheros felt fairly organic to me - But the distribution crisis where Marvel was only allowed to publish eight titles instead of flooding the market with a gazillion books in whatever genre is popular THIS week felt like a reinvention. I wrote a thing for Comics Should Be Good (RIP) about how Fantastic Four # 1 wasn't so much a straight superhero book as a mish-mash of (then) popular genres. thank you muchly, Reptisaurus!, and I loved that entry for Comics Should Be Good, in fact i'd seen it and appreciated it yolks ago. It was one of my favourite entries. And if i were a super-villain, I'd love 'loathus... etc...' to be my nom de plume! |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 12, 2017 0:19:43 GMT -5
also, thanks to all those answering my 'corporate-phoenixing' question, especially Cei-U! . very helpful |
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Post by Jesse on Jul 29, 2017 15:22:13 GMT -5
I've never cared for Jericho from the Teen Titans and wonder if other fans have a similar reaction to the character? While I applaud Marv Wolfman and George Pérez for using a mute character that sometimes uses ASL to communicate the character has always seemed boring to me. The costume design looked goofy even for the time period. One of the only things that makes him remotely interesting is the fact that he is the son of Deathstroke.
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