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Post by shaxper on Jul 29, 2017 20:39:52 GMT -5
I've never cared for Jericho from the Teen Titans and wonder if other fans have a similar reaction to the character? While I applaud Marv Wolfman and George Pérez for using a mute character that sometimes uses ASL to communicate the character has always seemed boring to me. The costume design looked goofy even for the time period. One of the only things that makes him remotely interesting is the fact that he is the son of Deathstroke. His costume was no worse than Nightwing's (introduced in the same issue). I liked the characterization Perez lent to Jericho through his pencils, but writing a deaf character truly proves to be a challenge for the writer trying to give him characterization. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 29, 2017 22:48:32 GMT -5
I have to confess I took a perverse glee in killing Jericho in that flashback in Lash House. He was just always so darn sensitive and gentle and precious, I wanted to slap the s#!t out of the curly-topped little twerp. (Though in hindsight, if I think of him as a parody of your typical Chris Claremont hero, he kinda works.)
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 30, 2017 6:45:33 GMT -5
i dare you to summon the fourth thought , lol.
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Post by Jesse on Jul 30, 2017 17:55:13 GMT -5
His costume was no worse than Nightwing's (introduced in the same issue). Ha fair enough. I liked the characterization Perez lent to Jericho through his pencils, but writing a deaf character truly proves to be a challenge for the writer trying to give him characterization. Was he deaf though? I thought he was just unable to speak but could hear until he possessed someone else's body. Admittedly I haven't read as much of the run as I would like to but what I have read I have really enjoyed. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 30, 2017 20:33:42 GMT -5
Jericho wasn't deaf, "just" mute.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 31, 2017 7:48:48 GMT -5
His costume was no worse than Nightwing's (introduced in the same issue). Ha fair enough. I liked the characterization Perez lent to Jericho through his pencils, but writing a deaf character truly proves to be a challenge for the writer trying to give him characterization. Was he deaf though? I thought he was just unable to speak but could hear until he possessed someone else's body. Admittedly I haven't read as much of the run as I would like to but what I have read I have really enjoyed. Right. Mute, not deaf. Sorry. |
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Post by Crimebuster on Jul 31, 2017 8:19:58 GMT -5
He was also apparently color blind.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 31, 2017 11:22:36 GMT -5
He was also apparently color blind. Jericho or George? Cei-U! I summon the latest from the Captain Ultra line! |
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Post by rberman on Nov 7, 2017 12:20:15 GMT -5
I only read the Busiek run on Avengers recently and had never heard of Triathlon anywhere else. I liked him; I felt like I was reading story that hadn't already been told 50 times (e.g. "Bad guy kidnaps Storm to be his queen" or "Superman tries to be a regular guy"). Triathlon was sort of proud to be an Avenger, sort of intimidated, sort of resentful that he had been chosen as a black token, sort of over-reacting to that tokenism with misplaced aggression toward his teammates, sort of wanting to prove to the world that the Triune Understanding was a good group, sort of worried about things his teammates were telling him about the Triune... in short, lots of interesting internal conflict, plus an origin connecting him to a pseudo-Silver Age character. Come to think of it, I wouldn't mind seeing the Avengers films working him in, though getting the tokenism tone right would be risky with the public. Plus the Avengers already have three black characters in MCU (Falcon, War Machine, and Black Panther), though I guess Triathlon could be some other ethnicity today if they wanted to explore tokenism in genre fiction.
I was also saddened at the end of the arc when the Triune boss went from "pursuing power ruthlessly to save the world from destruction" to "now I must use my power to save the world by ruling it!!!" I would rather he had sacrificed himself to save the day or something, showing that his heart was in the right place even if he had lapses in judgment as to how to achieve his goals.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 7, 2017 21:06:52 GMT -5
I only read the Busiek run on Avengers recently and had never heard of Triathlon anywhere else. I liked him; I felt like I was reading story that hadn't already been told 50 times (e.g. "Bad guy kidnaps Storm to be his queen" or "Superman tries to be a regular guy"). Triathlon was sort of proud to be an Avenger, sort of intimidated, sort of resentful that he had been chosen as a black token, sort of over-reacting to that tokenism with misplaced aggression toward his teammates, sort of wanting to prove to the world that the Triune Understanding was a good group, sort of worried about things his teammates were telling him about the Triune... in short, lots of interesting internal conflict, plus an origin connecting him to a pseudo-Silver Age character. Come to think of it, I wouldn't mind seeing the Avengers films working him in, though getting the tokenism tone right would be risky with the public. Plus the Avengers already have three black characters in MCU (Falcon, War Machine, and Black Panther), though I guess Triathlon could be some other ethnicity today if they wanted to explore tokenism in genre fiction. I was also saddened at the end of the arc when the Triune boss went from "pursuing power ruthlessly to save the world from destruction" to "now I must use my power to save the world by ruling it!!!" I would rather he had sacrificed himself to save the day or something, showing that his heart was in the right place even if he had lapses in judgment as to how to achieve his goals. Welcome to CCf, rberman ! I never liked Triathlon and I don't think he was proud to be a member. Maybe I'm misremembering it but I think he joined at the request of his spiritual leader. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 7, 2017 21:22:43 GMT -5
Glad to see someone else standing up for Triathlon, a good character I feel has been unjustly maligned for going on two decades.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 21:44:02 GMT -5
Glad to see someone else standing up for Triathlon, a good character I feel has been unjustly maligned for going on two decades. Cei-U! I root for the underdog! Busiek was shooting for an introduction of a new character into the Avengers who was done so in a manner similar to how the Vision was introduced, someone who was covertly planted on the team for ulterior motives by a villain who ultimately chose to be a hero and redeemed themselves in defeating the machinations of said villain, but reception to the story was mixed. That was a time when I was part of a private Avengers mailing list (remember those days in the infancy of internet fandom) that both Kurt and Tom Brevoort (I believe colorist Tom Smith was a part of it too) were members of and we sometimes got some behind the curtain glimpses and insights. It took me a while to warm to Triathalon, but I did like the concept and the link to the 3-D Man that was at the character's core. -M |
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Post by berkley on Nov 7, 2017 21:52:11 GMT -5
Glad to see someone else standing up for Triathlon, a good character I feel has been unjustly maligned for going on two decades. Cei-U! I root for the underdog! Busiek was shooting for an introduction of a new character into the Avengers who was done so in a manner similar to how the Vision was introduced, someone who was covertly planted on the team for ulterior motives by a villain who ultimately chose to be a hero and redeemed themselves in defeating the machinations of said villain, but reception to the story was mixed. That was a time when I was part of a private Avengers mailing list (remember those days in the infancy of internet fandom) that both Kurt and Tom Brevoort (I believe colorist Tom Smith was a part of it too) were members of and we sometimes got some behind the curtain glimpses and insights. It took me a while to warm to Triathalon, but I did like the concept and the link to the 3-D Man that was at the character's core. -M I haven't read the Kurt Busiek Avengers much except for the Morgan la Fay story that started it and the JLAvengers crossover, so I haven't seen any Triathlon stories. But didn't someone later on retcon the Black Panther's early history to make it such that he too joined the Avengers under false pretences? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 21:56:45 GMT -5
Busiek was shooting for an introduction of a new character into the Avengers who was done so in a manner similar to how the Vision was introduced, someone who was covertly planted on the team for ulterior motives by a villain who ultimately chose to be a hero and redeemed themselves in defeating the machinations of said villain, but reception to the story was mixed. That was a time when I was part of a private Avengers mailing list (remember those days in the infancy of internet fandom) that both Kurt and Tom Brevoort (I believe colorist Tom Smith was a part of it too) were members of and we sometimes got some behind the curtain glimpses and insights. It took me a while to warm to Triathalon, but I did like the concept and the link to the 3-D Man that was at the character's core. -M I haven't read the Kurt Busiek Avengers much except for the Morgan la Fay story that started it and the JLAvengers crossover, so I haven't seen any Triathlon stories. But didn't someone later on retcon the Black Panther's early history to make it such that he too joined the Avengers under false pretences? In Priest's Marvel Knights Black Panther series, he joined to keep an eye on the Avengers and to evaluate their potential threat to Wakanda I believe. I reread the Priest run a year or two ago, but some of the details as to the why are a little fuzzy. -M |
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Post by rberman on Nov 8, 2017 14:28:03 GMT -5
I only read the Busiek run on Avengers recently and had never heard of Triathlon anywhere else. I liked him; I felt like I was reading story that hadn't already been told 50 times (e.g. "Bad guy kidnaps Storm to be his queen" or "Superman tries to be a regular guy"). Triathlon was sort of proud to be an Avenger, sort of intimidated, sort of resentful that he had been chosen as a black token, sort of over-reacting to that tokenism with misplaced aggression toward his teammates, sort of wanting to prove to the world that the Triune Understanding was a good group, sort of worried about things his teammates were telling him about the Triune... in short, lots of interesting internal conflict, plus an origin connecting him to a pseudo-Silver Age character. Welcome to CCf, rberman ! I never liked Triathlon and I don't think he was proud to be a member. Maybe I'm misremembering it but I think he joined at the request of his spiritual leader. He did reluctantly join at the request of the Triune leader, because he didn't want to feel like he was just a token black to make the Avengers feel better about not really being diverse. But at various times he expressed pleasure with Avenger status, worry that he wasn't awesome enough to stand alongside living legends, and hope that he could boost the reputation of the Triune through his Avengers work. It all seemed like realistic thoughts that a guy in his shoes would have. |
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