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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 9:59:12 GMT -5
so that's at least 4 independent posters that came up with : Spidey/Cap/Hulk. granted it's a very small sample size, but these seem to be the ones that would qualify as the top 3 . . . (and I don't say that just because those are the 3 i posted on page one  ) |
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 22, 2017 14:21:47 GMT -5
Nah, the Marvel Trinity is Kirby-Ditko-Lee. 'Nuff Said! -M I was hoping nobody had said this yet. Damn! Well done, mrp! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 14:27:51 GMT -5
In terms of worldwide recognition, ie recognition amongst "civilians", it's no contest - Spider-Man, Hulk and .... Iron Man.
Spider-Man because he's everywhere in merchandising and has been for decades, and the films; Hulk mainly from from the TV series but also the Avengers films, and Hulking-out has gone into the common lexicon; Iron Man from the Avengers films and because of RDJ.
Long ago on CBR, I argued that there were only 4 A-list characters, in terms of wholesale recognition: Superman, Batman, Spider-Man and Hulk. I think Iron Man, and maybe Wonder Woman, are below but near that level. Cap and Thor, by virtue of Avengers and their films are now in the B+ league, whereas previously they were nowhere.
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Post by String on Sept 22, 2017 15:02:09 GMT -5
Of classic Marvel, for me it's Spider-Man/Hulk/ Wolverine.
That's taken into consideration outside marketing such as cartoons, TV shows, merchandise, etc. Spidey has long been the face of Marvel through various promotions and shows while Hulk broadened his appeal with the TV show. While the X-Men may inhabit their own little corner of the MU, I feel that you can't overlook their dominance of the late 80s/early 90s and no character is as symbolic of that dominance as Logan. (And the fact that he first appeared in a Hulk comic is icing on the cake).
But that was then, this is now. Now to me, the face of Marvel is Iron Man and has been ever since the rise of the MCU.
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Post by james on Sept 23, 2017 2:40:21 GMT -5
Hulk
Iron Man
Spiderman
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 23, 2017 3:07:41 GMT -5
In terms of overall public recogniion, regardless of the recent success of the movies, I'd still say it's Spidey, Hulk and Wolverine.
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Post by berkley on Sept 23, 2017 4:07:37 GMT -5
I was just thinking, perhaps the closest Marvel equivalent to Batman isn't a hero at all, but Dr. Doom: scientist, authoritarian, mysterious, serious all the time, has a plan for everything, ...
Still can't think of anyone for Wonder Woman, though.
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Post by hondobrode on Sept 23, 2017 8:58:07 GMT -5
That's because while Marvel has had some good female characters, none even begins to come close to being iconic like Wonder Woman.
They're trying to push Captain Marvel into that league, and might do it, but it's going to take time and lots of effort.
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Post by berkley on Sept 23, 2017 10:01:15 GMT -5
That's because while Marvel has had some good female characters, none even begins to come close to being iconic like Wonder Woman. They're trying to push Captain Marvel into that league, and might do it, but it's going to take time and lots of effort. I think part of their problem is that they've had so many different Captain Marvels over the years - different characters, different costumes on the same character, plus related heroes like Ms. Marvel, or the same character with a different name like Photon ... it all leads to a confused picture of what or who Captain Marvel is. Even now I believe they have a Ms. Marvel and a Captain Marvel, do they not? |
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 23, 2017 11:57:00 GMT -5
I agree with Spider-Man, Hulk and Captain America, if Marvel even needs a Trinity.
I'm not really certain that a Marvel Trinity needs to be characters that are very closely related. This regular teaming of Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman is a fairly recent thing in the DC Universe. And to tell the truth, when I read a few issues, it's always seemed forced, and I didn't really like it that much. (Although there was one Trinity meeting in a recent Wonder Woman Special that I liked.) Yes, it's true that Superman and Batman teamed up regularly in World's Finest for about a million years, but there was a long time post-Crisis that they didn't get along, really minimizing the idea that there needs to be a continual meeting of the characters for it to be a Trinity.
I would love to see Carol Danvers become popular enough to be the third side of a Trinity. But as much as I liked her 2012 series, her current series is fairly terrible (unless it's improved since the first five or six issues when I bailed).
The Wasp or Black Widow or even Storm would also be good candidates.
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Post by hondobrode on Sept 23, 2017 12:47:06 GMT -5
That's because while Marvel has had some good female characters, none even begins to come close to being iconic like Wonder Woman. They're trying to push Captain Marvel into that league, and might do it, but it's going to take time and lots of effort. I think part of their problem is that they've had so many different Captain Marvels over the years - different characters, different costumes on the same character, plus related heroes like Ms. Marvel, or the same character with a different name like Photon ... it all leads to a confused picture of what or who Captain Marvel is. Even now I believe they have a Ms. Marvel and a Captain Marvel, do they not? I've been 98% out of Marvel since around 2000, but yes they have Captain Marvel (Carol) and Ms Marvel (Kamala) |
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Post by berkley on Sept 23, 2017 13:15:40 GMT -5
I agree with Spider-Man, Hulk and Captain America, if Marvel even needs a Trinity. I'm not really certain that a Marvel Trinity needs to be characters that are very closely related. This regular teaming of Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman is a fairly recent thing in the DC Universe. And to tell the truth, when I read a few issues, it's always seemed forced, and I didn't really like it that much. (Although there was one Trinity meeting in a recent Wonder Woman Special that I liked.) Yes, it's true that Superman and Batman teamed up regularly in World's Finest for about a million years, but there was a long time post-Crisis that they didn't get along, really minimizing the idea that there needs to be a continual meeting of the characters for it to be a Trinity. I would love to see Carol Danvers become popular enough to be the third side of a Trinity. But as much as I liked her 2012 series, her current series is fairly terrible (unless it's improved since the first five or six issues when I bailed). The Wasp or Black Widow or even Storm would also be good candidates. None of those would quite work, for me, though I think Storm and the BW are excellent characters. The Wasp: based on a bad concept - rich girl riding the coat-tails of her scientist husband into the Avengers. The Black Widow: as much a spy/espionage character as a superhero. Storm: too tied up with the X-Men and their semi-separate world. I think Valkyrie might be my pick as the best candidate, but it would take a lot of work to bring her into WW-like prominence. And I suspect they might change the character into something that would obviate what made her a favourite of mine in the first place. |
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Post by Warmonger on Sept 23, 2017 14:24:42 GMT -5
Seems like it changes a bit just about every 10-15 years or so.
I'd say traditionally...it's Spider-Man, Hulk and Captain America.
Present day...no question it's Spider-Man, Iron Man and Captain America.
Late 80's/early 90's...Spider-Man, Wolverine and Punisher.
Seems like the one constant has always been Spidey.
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Post by String on Sept 23, 2017 18:24:05 GMT -5
If you are talking in terms of publication, then maybe Sue Richards, she's been there since the very beginning.
If you are talking in terms of prominence within the canon, Jean Grey-Phoenix casts a very large shadow over the MU. I think she would also be more recognizable via outside marketing due to the films and cartoons than Carol Danvers.
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Post by Phil Maurice on Sept 23, 2017 19:06:53 GMT -5
If you are talking in terms of publication, then maybe Sue Richards, she's been there since the very beginning. Patsy Walker fills that slot even better, though she's a virtual cypher to "civilians." In her defense, like the DC heroes, she defies the "Ages" of comics. |
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