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Post by batusi on Sept 24, 2017 13:32:19 GMT -5
"DC" did not create Wonder Woman. Even using the most generous view of corporate creation, DC didn't create Wonder Woman. William Marston finagled his way on to an advisory board created by Max Gaines to advise DC/AA and then came to Gaines with Wonder Woman. Gaines bought Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. "DC" did not create any of the three. Seriously? Must ALL of my responses to this thread be a great big DUH? Yes, we know that there were MANY creators who published through DC, thanks so much for clarifying the obvious. Nevertheless, they are DC owned. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 24, 2017 13:44:47 GMT -5
"DC" did not create Wonder Woman. Even using the most generous view of corporate creation, DC didn't create Wonder Woman. William Marston finagled his way on to an advisory board created by Max Gaines to advise DC/AA and then came to Gaines with Wonder Woman. Gaines bought Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. "DC" did not create any of the three. Seriously? Must ALL of my responses to this thread be a great big DUH? Yes, we know that there were MANY creators who published through DC, thanks so much for clarifying the obvious. Nevertheless, they are DC owned. If you're going to keep saying things like "DC created Wonder Woman" then expect such responses. You can DUH all you want, it doesn't make you look any better. |
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Post by batusi on Sept 24, 2017 13:46:50 GMT -5
Seriously? Must ALL of my responses to this thread be a great big DUH? Yes, we know that there were MANY creators who published through DC, thanks so much for clarifying the obvious. Nevertheless, they are DC owned. If you're going to keep saying things like "DC created Wonder Woman" then expect such responses. You can DUH all you want, it doesn't make you look any better. Forgive me for thinking that logic may set in. |
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Post by batusi on Sept 24, 2017 13:50:08 GMT -5
We all know that EVERY character had a specific creator, but when working for a specific company, that company is the owner of said property.
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Post by batusi on Sept 24, 2017 13:54:23 GMT -5
Yes, I KNOW that DC did NOT specifically create a certain character, but if/when they publish that character/series...they OWN IT!
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Sept 24, 2017 16:01:14 GMT -5
I guess if I had to pick 3 characters that have contributed the most to Marvel's success, I would go with Spidey, Hulk and Iron Man. Spidey because he is the everlasting solo hero that everyone relates to. Hulk because, image wise, he is one of the more striking and easily recognizable. In terms of comics, there always seems to be people loving his stuff from the 70's until now. Finally, Iron Man may not have had the best comics back in the day but I think the movies in recent years have catapulted him above any other characters in the Marvel Universe. There may be better ones out there in terms of comics or in terms of longevity with the company but I think if Marvel were to not have had these 3 characters at all, they could not be the force they are (and were) since their formation in 1961.
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 24, 2017 16:38:44 GMT -5
No love for Tall Billy Batson, Fat Billy Batson and Hill Billy Batson? Nope. None. Even they were too silly for me.... I'm siccing Uncle Dudley on you!  |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Sept 24, 2017 16:43:32 GMT -5
"DC" did not create Wonder Woman. Even using the most generous view of corporate creation, DC didn't create Wonder Woman. William Marston finagled his way on to an advisory board created by Max Gaines to advise DC/AA and then came to Gaines with Wonder Woman. Gaines bought Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. "DC" did not create any of the three. Seriously? Must ALL of my responses to this thread be a great big DUH? Yes, we know that there were MANY creators who published through DC, thanks so much for clarifying the obvious. Nevertheless, they are DC owned. Although if I'm remembering right DC didn't own Wonder Woman outright 'till the '80s And the answer is Patsy Walker three times. She's the single character who has anything even close to continuous publication since the Golden Age. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 24, 2017 16:55:02 GMT -5
Seriously? Must ALL of my responses to this thread be a great big DUH? Yes, we know that there were MANY creators who published through DC, thanks so much for clarifying the obvious. Nevertheless, they are DC owned. Although if I'm remembering right DC didn't own Wonder Woman outright 'till the '80s And the answer is Patsy Walker three times. She's the single character who has anything even close to continuous publication since the Golden Age. Yep. For years...probably decades, DC published Wonder Woman for two reasons. If they didn't then contractually she reverted to Marston. And she was marginally successful as a marketing character to sell Underoos and such. Because the sales of her comic were well below the cancellation point. The idea that she is a character worthy of being in the "Trinity" is very very modern. |
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Post by tarkintino on Sept 24, 2017 17:08:10 GMT -5
In the Silver Age, Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four were the crown jewels of Marvel. But Captain America was a break out star when he revived in the 60s, so I would add him to the Marvel Trinity. It must be remembered that in the Silver Age, Cap was so popular that he was one of the first Marvel characters to be mass merchandised (arguably as visible as Spider-Man), and adapted in animation only two short years after his Avengers #4 revival, as part of Grantray-Lawrence's Marvel Super-Heroes. I cannot think of any 1960s - forward Marvel Trinity not having Cap as a member. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 24, 2017 18:00:34 GMT -5
"DC" did not create Wonder Woman. Even using the most generous view of corporate creation, DC didn't create Wonder Woman. William Marston finagled his way on to an advisory board created by Max Gaines to advise DC/AA and then came to Gaines with Wonder Woman. Gaines bought Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. "DC" did not create any of the three. This is why I have issues with Jill Lapore's book about Marston (which is where I'm assuming you're deriving your information from): she misrepresents how the two sister companies, Detective Comics and All-American, operated, consigning the true situation to the Notes section in the back. Max Gaines had little to do with publishing Superman (beyond recommending the strip to Vin Sullivan while still with the McClure Syndicate) and nothing at all to do with Batman. He had no say about any business decisions made by DC. And batusi, Thor was not "created in the 1700s or 1800s." The earliest tales of the Teutonic/Norse Thunder God date back to before the rise of the Roman Empire. Cei-U! Thus endeth yon history lesson! |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 24, 2017 18:15:54 GMT -5
"DC" did not create Wonder Woman. Even using the most generous view of corporate creation, DC didn't create Wonder Woman. William Marston finagled his way on to an advisory board created by Max Gaines to advise DC/AA and then came to Gaines with Wonder Woman. Gaines bought Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. "DC" did not create any of the three. This is why I have issues with Jill Lapore's book about Marston (which is where I'm assuming you're deriving your information from): she misrepresents how the two sister companies, Detective Comics and All-American, operated, consigning the true situation to the Notes section in the back. Max Gaines had little to do with publishing Superman (beyond recommending the strip to Vin Sullivan while still with the McClure Syndicate) and nothing at all to do with Batman. He had no say about any business decisions made by DC. And batusi, Thor was not "created in the 1700s or 1800s." The earliest tales of the Teutonic/Norse Thunder God date back to before the rise of the Roman Empire. Cei-U! Thus endeth yon history lesson! Mostly I was just typing faster than thinking. I know it was Sullivan that bought Superman. AA was ruin autonomously from Natinal. This is what happens when I'm multitasking. |
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Post by berkley on Sept 24, 2017 18:20:10 GMT -5
The first time I ever heard of the DC "Trinity" was the Matt Wagner miniseries by that name from a few years ago (actually 2003, now I look it up, so older than I thought). Anyone remember that? From what I saw it seemed pretty dodgy from a Wonder Woman perspective, with the story having her pining after Superman, getting beaten up by Bizarro, tied up and threatened with rape by Ras Al-Gul, and finally rescued by Batman - not a great start for the trinity, I would say!
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Post by kirby101 on Sept 24, 2017 22:08:20 GMT -5
In the Silver Age, Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four were the crown jewels of Marvel. But Captain America was a break out star when he revived in the 60s, so I would add him to the Marvel Trinity. It must be remembered that in the Silver Age, Cap was so popular that he was one of the first Marvel characters to be mass merchandised (arguably as visible as Spider-Man), and adapted in animation only two short years after his Avengers #4 revival, as part of Grantray-Lawrence's Marvel Super-Heroes. I cannot think of any 1960s - forward Marvel Trinity not having Cap as a member. I don't know, Cap didn't even have his own book like Thor, who also had a cartoon. |
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Post by tarkintino on Sept 24, 2017 22:59:56 GMT -5
But Captain America was a break out star when he revived in the 60s, so I would add him to the Marvel Trinity. It must be remembered that in the Silver Age, Cap was so popular that he was one of the first Marvel characters to be mass merchandised (arguably as visible as Spider-Man), and adapted in animation only two short years after his Avengers #4 revival, as part of Grantray-Lawrence's Marvel Super-Heroes. I cannot think of any 1960s - forward Marvel Trinity not having Cap as a member. I don't know, Cap didn't even have his own book like Thor, who also had a cartoon. In that regard, at the time Marvel Super Heroes originally aired, Thor barely earned his own series (the transition from Journey into Mystery to Thor occurred in March, 1966). I also think Cap enjoyed more merchandising than Thor in this period (some manufacturers made products based on both, but in any random search, I see more Cap products than Thor, which would indicate how popular he was among the other top Marvel 60s characters. |
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