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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 19, 2017 12:24:15 GMT -5
I don't think it is reviled by anyone, but I rarely see it on people's favourite lists: the Batman run that introduced Jason Todd -the first one, pre-crisis. I loved the Newton-Alcala art, and the stories had a sense of going forward, of not denying the passage of time. Bruce Wayne was not a perennially thirty-something bachelor; he had a grown "son" in Dick, a serious love interest, and a new protégé in Jason. He was still at the top of his game, but you got the feeling that he was growing... growing older, but also wiser. Cue the reboot! Now we'll introduce Bat-god! There was a Jason Todd before COIE? (I know I might have to turn in my comic nerd membership card.) My Batman pretty much starts with #400 and Detective Comics at around #600. When and what title was this in? I like anything Alcala does, pencils, inks or otherwise. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 19, 2017 12:26:23 GMT -5
I don't think it is reviled by anyone, but I rarely see it on people's favourite lists: the Batman run that introduced Jason Todd -the first one, pre-crisis. I loved the Newton-Alcala art, and the stories had a sense of going forward, of not denying the passage of time. Bruce Wayne was not a perennially thirty-something bachelor; he had a grown "son" in Dick, a serious love interest, and a new protégé in Jason. He was still at the top of his game, but you got the feeling that he was growing... growing older, but also wiser. Cue the reboot! Now we'll introduce Bat-god! I haven't revisited that era in a long while, but I definitely liked it at the time. As I recall Newton was on one book and Colan was on the other which made it a high-point for artwork. And while I wasn't a huge fan of the original Jason Todd he wasn't an unlikeable turd like the reboot version that I voted to kill off (I want my money back). |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 19, 2017 13:49:43 GMT -5
I don't think it is reviled by anyone, but I rarely see it on people's favourite lists: the Batman run that introduced Jason Todd -the first one, pre-crisis. I loved the Newton-Alcala art, and the stories had a sense of going forward, of not denying the passage of time. Bruce Wayne was not a perennially thirty-something bachelor; he had a grown "son" in Dick, a serious love interest, and a new protégé in Jason. He was still at the top of his game, but you got the feeling that he was growing... growing older, but also wiser. Cue the reboot! Now we'll introduce Bat-god! There was a Jason Todd before COIE? (I know I might have to turn in my comic nerd membership card.) My Batman pretty much starts with #400 and Detective Comics at around #600. When and what title was this in? I like anything Alcala does, pencils, inks or otherwise. The issues I read were Batman #364-374. The pre-crisis Jason Todd had almost the same origin as Dick Grayson (child circus performer, parents killed) but as Slam pointed out he was a likeable kid. He started helping Batman as his new sidekick, and since at the time Dick wanted to wean himself from the influence of his mentor, he decided to give up the mantle of Robin in favour of Jason. I haven't re-read those issues since the '80s, but I remember the Newton-Alcala art was really, really good... and there was a story about boxing that was plain excellent. |
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Post by badwolf on Oct 19, 2017 14:12:57 GMT -5
I often see people put it down, but I'm a fan of Doug Moench's and Bill Sienkiewicz's run on Fantastic Four which immediately preceded John Byrne's. Doug is one of my favorite comics writers, and yeah Bill was still in his "Neal Adams phase" at the time, but it's not as if the art is bad. It looks great! I also love Bruce Jones' Hulk run, but people hated it so much that some writer later retconned the entire thing as a dream. (I've retconned the retcon out in my mind.) I guess I can see why people (not me) might have been impatient with it month by month as Jones was playing a long game, but in the collected form it shines. 2 things stand out in that run: 1 - Joe Sinnott's inks looked weird over Bills art 2- Thor appeared twice in that run. I'm not a big fan of Sinnott's inks... I mean the final work looks fine, but he seems to have a "normalizing" effect that mutes the penciller's distinctive style. |
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Post by shaxper on Oct 19, 2017 16:05:47 GMT -5
I don't think it is reviled by anyone, but I rarely see it on people's favourite lists: the Batman run that introduced Jason Todd -the first one, pre-crisis. I loved the Newton-Alcala art, and the stories had a sense of going forward, of not denying the passage of time. Bruce Wayne was not a perennially thirty-something bachelor; he had a grown "son" in Dick, a serious love interest, and a new protégé in Jason. He was still at the top of his game, but you got the feeling that he was growing... growing older, but also wiser. Cue the reboot! Now we'll introduce Bat-god! My favorite Batman run of all time. I believe it made the Top 20 of my favorite comic sagas. |
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Post by shaxper on Oct 19, 2017 16:07:00 GMT -5
I don't think it is reviled by anyone, but I rarely see it on people's favourite lists: the Batman run that introduced Jason Todd -the first one, pre-crisis. I loved the Newton-Alcala art, and the stories had a sense of going forward, of not denying the passage of time. Bruce Wayne was not a perennially thirty-something bachelor; he had a grown "son" in Dick, a serious love interest, and a new protégé in Jason. He was still at the top of his game, but you got the feeling that he was growing... growing older, but also wiser. Cue the reboot! Now we'll introduce Bat-god! There was a Jason Todd before COIE? (I know I might have to turn in my comic nerd membership card.) My Batman pretty much starts with #400 and Detective Comics at around #600. When and what title was this in? I like anything Alcala does, pencils, inks or otherwise. Might I suggest checking out this and this?  |
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Post by String on Oct 19, 2017 18:46:34 GMT -5
I really like some of the early '90s X-Men stuff that Fabian Nicieza wrote. He was writing the characters as humans with complex emotions and relationships as a result of their complex past histories while other X-Men writers and artists were churning out surface, comic-selling fluff. For me, Nicieza on the X-titles has to be paired equally with Scott Lobdell's X-work too. For all the hoopla surrounding Claremont's leaving the franchise, the effect and later departure of Lee on the franchise, these two writers stepped up and produced a solid body of work that built upon and complimented on what came before. I think they really saved the franchise from what could've been a dire setback. |
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Post by String on Oct 19, 2017 18:49:08 GMT -5
Mine was the Adventures of the DCUniverse  At the time this came out, I really enjoyed this run that was fun and easy to read and it's had that Super Friends Appeal and it's really cool seeing the SuperHeroes in this format. I had all the first 20 or so books and I had to depart them 3-5 years later because of space in my Condo (I live in a 455 square foot studio condo) and got rid of them to a dear friend of mine that let me read them - time to time. I see them about an annual basis at his house. I like these stories very much and I was so surprised to hear nobody in my LCS isn't talking about it and most of my Comic Books friends as well. I was too embarrassed to bring it up and that why I was puzzled by it. That's all I have to say about it. I've never heard of this title. I take it that it's some sort of DCAU look at the overall DCU? Either way, looks very interesting. Will have to check it out. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 18:49:13 GMT -5
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Post by String on Oct 19, 2017 19:02:36 GMT -5
The Denny O'Neil/David Mazzucchelli run on Daredevil - Unfortunately, it falls between Miller's two classic runs on the title which is a shame because the Micah Synn saga is an underrated gem. Plus, you get to see Mazz hone his art greatly which makes his later pairing on Born Again with Miller all that more impressive.
The Denny O'Neil/ Luke McDonnell run on Iron Man - It's wonderful that O'Neil took the time and effort to show Tony's descent into self-destruction via alcoholism and the slow process of rebuilding his life. That's what makes his return and triumph over Obadiah Stane in Iron Man #200 all the more compelling and exciting. Plus, O'Neil lays the foundation for the hero that Jim Rhodes today.
The Tom DeFalco/Ron Frenz run on Thor - How do you follow the legendary Walt Simonson? DeFalco and Frenzput put forth a great effort that I felt captured some of the bombast and fun of the Lee-Kirby Thor years (especially during the War of Gods saga featuring Set).
The D.G. Chichester/Scott McDaniel run on Daredevil - yes, I liked Fall from Grace, there I said it. The armored costume gets flak but I think it was one of the better attempts at a costume change. If you are going to dare, do so boldly.
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Post by MWGallaher on Oct 19, 2017 20:08:01 GMT -5
I've long had an entirely non-ironic fondness for Marvel's Night Nurse series. I wouldn't have even touched them when I saw them brand new on the stands, but when I finally read a couple of back issues, I really appreciated them. The run was treated as a joke by fandom, but it was a pretty cool book, with very nice art from Win Mortimer. Mortimer was never one of my favorites, since he wasn't especially suited to super-heroes, but he was excellent for this: attractive and realistic people in real-life settings and clothing.
Count me in as another fan of Bruce Jones' Hulk stories, but I also got a big kick out of his DC Vertigo Deadman, which faced a tough crowd because it wasn't about Boston Brand (although it did tease a tangential connection to the canonical Deadman).
Another Vertigo series that everyone but me seems to have ignored--and so, presumably, didn't like--is The Unseen Hand, which was a remake of Mike Sekowsky's "Jason's Quest" series from Showcase. DC never formally acknowledged that fact (except by renaming the lead character "Mike" instead of "Jason"), but it's more faithful to its source than any other Vertigo version of a mainstream DC property.
Even though Hank Pym is one of my favorite Marvel characters, I got a big kick out of Jim Shooter's run of Avengers stories where he was disgraced and "court martialed" from the team.
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 19, 2017 20:45:35 GMT -5
Tomahawk, from the Star-Spangled days right through the Rangers and Hawk, Son of Tomahawk.   
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 20:46:15 GMT -5
I'll join the chorus of those loving Guns of the Dragon, a title I discovered because of its inclusion in the 12 Days of Christmas lists when favorite short series was the topic. Monster Hunters in Marvel Universe #4-7 by Stern, Manley and company featuring Dr. Druid, Ulysses Bloodstone, And Zawadi (one of the Wakandan Handmaidens introduced by Priest in his Black Panther run) and even a Mole Man cameo. Fun little romp set in days before FF #1.  Nightside by Robert Weinberg and Tom Derenick, based on Weinberg's short stories, horror crime noir before it became all the rage, a fun little 4 issue mini  Not old enough to be a classic, but Avengers 1959 by Howard Chaykin, Nick Fury and a team of mercs/spies including Dominic Fortune, Sabretooth, Kraven and Namorita (among others) take ona team of super-Nazis in the late 1950s of the Marvel Universe. Chaykin gold in a 5 issue mini series   Hellstorm, Prince of Lies, often overlooked in mass of bad Marvel books inthe 90s, it was a solid horror book with Rafael Nieves and Michael Bair on board,  and kicked it up a several notches when Warren Ellis and Leonardo Manco took over. The in between issues, by Kaminski and Peter Gross weren't bad either. Ellis and Manco also did an often overlooked 4 issue Druid mini-series reintepreting Dr. Druid that was a d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net/n_iv/600/645991.jpgery good horror book.  El Cazador, a short-lived pirate-themed series from Crossgen by Chuck Dixon and Steve Epting...  Hammer of the Gods by Mike Avon Oeming and Mark Wheatley, a viking story...  and its follow up Hammer hits China (I need to get these again, I lent them out and they never found their way back to me) Legend of the Hawkman- a 3 issue prestige mino by Ben Raab and Michael Lark. Raab is not one of my favorite writers, but his stuff here is decent and Lark's art elevates it into a very enjoyable read.  Saga of the Swamp Thing #1-19 by Martin PAsko, Tom Yeates (with issues by Jan Duursema, Tom Mandrake, Gary Mishkin, Bo Hampton, Scott Hampton, and Len Wein) and form #16-o art by Stephen Bissette and John Totleben, plus PhantomStranger back-ups through most of it). Often overlooked and overshadowed as it precedes Alan Moore's run, it's a solid run and well worth reading.  Shadow War of Hawkman #1-4 by Tony Isabella, Richard Howell and Alfredo Alcala. Maybe it pales to some of the great Kubert stuff, but this was my first exposure to Hawkman as a solo hero and I was hooked by this series. It is meant as a status quo changer (as was Sword of the Atom see next), but I was just discovering DC in its fullness when this came out and I liked what I read.  Sword of the Atom #1-4, a great sword and sorcery style comic featuring the Atom by Jan Strnad and Gil Kane. It changed up tha Atom's status quo, upsetting a lot of tried and true fans, but again I was just getting into DC and I love S&S stuff, so I was engrossed.  Also by Kane and Strnad form around the same time...Talos of the Wilderness Sea, a 1-shot overlooked by just about everyone, but a really fun story of S&S style fun  Cable #48-70 by Joe Casey, James Robinson and Ladronn  This is where I first discovered the art of Ladronn, and it was still early in his career where he was channeling Kirby and early Steranko. I loved the sense of high adventure he brought to the stories with his art and watching him grow as an artist (check out the Planet Hulk covers to see how far he came). Casey and Robinson were doing decent stories too, netter than a lot of the X-stuff coming out at the time. There's probably more, but that;s enough for now... -M |
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Post by berkley on Oct 19, 2017 21:13:46 GMT -5
I can't think of anything that was disliked by everyone except me, but there are lots of things that I think are under-appreciated and have only a very small minority of comics readers who rate them highly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 22:05:53 GMT -5
Mine was the Adventures of the DCUniverse At the time this came out, I really enjoyed this run that was fun and easy to read and it's had that Super Friends Appeal and it's really cool seeing the SuperHeroes in this format. I had all the first 20 or so books and I had to depart them 3-5 years later because of space in my Condo (I live in a 455 square foot studio condo) and got rid of them to a dear friend of mine that let me read them - time to time. I see them about an annual basis at his house. I like these stories very much and I was so surprised to hear nobody in my LCS isn't talking about it and most of my Comic Books friends as well. I was too embarrassed to bring it up and that why I was puzzled by it. That's all I have to say about it. I've never heard of this title. I take it that it's some sort of DCAU look at the overall DCU? Either way, looks very interesting. Will have to check it out. You should it's very entertaining book and it's really a fun read and one of the best books that I seen. I read it once a year the whole series in one day and believe me the art in this book is quite refreshing indeed. |
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