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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 8:35:17 GMT -5
There is nothing I would say was bad; but, nothing I would say was classic or unforgettable. Really, the battle stuff just feels like a lot of random stuff flashing across my screen, with little resonating. Same here. I was a bit under whelmed. There were too many players "on the board" for me. I understand why people like it. I think I am no longer into these types of movies. I find I prefer the TV versions of comics since there can be the character building. I also think TV is closer to comics in the serial style of storytelling. A movie is like a stand alone graphic novel.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 29, 2018 10:47:51 GMT -5
There is nothing I would say was bad; but, nothing I would say was classic or unforgettable. Really, the battle stuff just feels like a lot of random stuff flashing across my screen, with little resonating. Same here. I was a bit under whelmed. There were too many players "on the board" for me. I understand why people like it. I think I am no longer into these types of movies. I find I prefer the TV versions of comics since there can be the character building. I also think TV is closer to comics in the serial style of storytelling. A movie is like a stand alone graphic novel. I would put myself into that category. I pretty much avoid most action movies as they don't really do much for me anymore, and haven't really watched them since my 30s. I tend to go for drama or comedy or sci-fi, if it looks good. When this stuff started, I was cautiously excited; Marvel had a pretty shaky track record, in other media. I really liked Iron Man and looked forward to the rest. I loved CA TFA, except for the rather rushed feeling of the third act. I was okay with Thor, less so with Incredible Hulk. From there, the more I watched and the more it felt the "same," the less enthusiastic I was. I went from Going to the theater when they came out to buying them on dvd, when they came out, to watching them when I could, for free. Ant-Man turned out to be a surprise, as it had a sense of fun to it that I felt was missing from most of the other films. Guardians had it, in the character interplay and it made terrific use of music, though the storytelling is so-so. I loved Thor" Ragnarok because it was fun and impactful; funny when it was okay, serious when required. TV does allow for more character development and for building the story. If they had been able to do Captain America, in WW2, over 8-10 episodes, I would have been over the moon. That would have felt more organic, leading into his freezing and emerging in the modern world. One big problem I have pinpointed with these things for me is fight choreography. It's a problem with a lot of superhero material, in the comics and on screen. Too much time seems to be spent on a cool shot or pose, rather than telling a story via the battle. It's the same thing that pulled me away from being a pro wrestling fan. Good matches and good movie fights have a story to them, there is an ebb and flow. Everything on screen should mean something. Look at the fight between Robert Shaw and Sean Connery, in From Russia With Love. It's brutal, but it isn't a flurry of kicks and punches. There are moves and counter moves; but, there is also selling of the impact of the move. The selling is part of the drama and sets the emotional tone of the fight. Same in pro wrestling. It's why Ric Flair and Ricky Steamboat matches were so perfect. They knew how to make every little movement, every expression, every stance have meaning. They didn't do 10 moves in 8 seconds. They did two in 10 seconds and got more crowd response than entire matches, these days. Same with many of the fights we see in these. There is a lot of rapid punching and kicking and blasting. There is often no rhyme or reason why one person is more powerful at one point and weaker at another. It's not every film or every scene; but, the Avengers films have suffered from it more than the solos, to my mind. That's what feels like a video game; just a lot of bodies punching each other. Here and there you get more impactful moments; but, not consistently. I do think the Russos did a pretty good job of establishing the stakes, to give the fights more resonance; but, I do think the very nature of so many characters on screen lessened the impact of some of the fighting. The rapid pace of modern editing is also a big contributor to these things, where a simple fight sequence might have 10-15 cuts, vs 4 or 5. If Bruce Lee had that kind of editing in his films, his fights would have been 10 seconds long.
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 29, 2018 11:06:53 GMT -5
I give it a 8/10. It was everything I expected and love Thor in the movie.
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Post by hondobrode on Apr 29, 2018 14:00:45 GMT -5
I haven't cared as much for the last few Marvel movies, with Black Panther being the exception.
Of course I was going to see it. Drove 3 hours to see it with my bro.
I was surprised they didn't screw it up.
Was wondering about the whole Death angle. In the comics I always thought that part was incredibly stupid. I suppose this is better.
Thanos' motivation here was good and gave him more depth.
Didn't care for the Steve Rogers version here.
Hoping they have Mar-Vell be a player in the next chapter, which I've heard he'll at least make a cameo.
We'll see if the next chapter can interest me in the character being alluded to or not.
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 29, 2018 14:03:02 GMT -5
I haven't cared as much for the last few Marvel movies, with Black Panther being the exception. Of course I was going to see it. Drove 3 hours to see it with my bro. I was surprised they didn't screw it up. Was wondering about the whole Death angle. In the comics I always thought that part was incredibly stupid. I suppose this is better. Thanos' motivation here was good and gave him more depth. Didn't care for the Steve Rogers version here. Hoping they have Mar-Vell be a player in the next chapter, which I've heard he'll at least make a cameo. We'll see if the next chapter can interest me in the character being alluded to or not. Mar-vel is going to be a she in the MCU.
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Post by hondobrode on Apr 29, 2018 15:05:38 GMT -5
I haven't cared as much for the last few Marvel movies, with Black Panther being the exception. Of course I was going to see it. Drove 3 hours to see it with my bro. I was surprised they didn't screw it up. Was wondering about the whole Death angle. In the comics I always thought that part was incredibly stupid. I suppose this is better. Thanos' motivation here was good and gave him more depth. Didn't care for the Steve Rogers version here. Hoping they have Mar-Vell be a player in the next chapter, which I've heard he'll at least make a cameo. We'll see if the next chapter can interest me in the character being alluded to or not. Mar-vel is going to be a she in the MCU. Yeah Carol Danvers She's ok but I've never really warmed up to her as Ms Marvel or have even read or been compelled to read her as Captain Marvel, but, I hate Deadpool in the comics but really liked the movie, so we'll see.
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 29, 2018 15:14:35 GMT -5
I did a lot of reading in other forums and it seems that CM is being positioned as the strongest big gun in the MCU. A bigger gun than Thor, it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 15:51:24 GMT -5
I just saw it with some friends, and I'm a bit overwhelmed and underwhelmed at the same time. It just way too many characters and I've just had a hard time following it for about 20% of the movie. I didn't quite care for Doctor Strange and I felt that they portrayed him too much in this film. I've might be a bit prejudice on it; and sorry about my initial reaction of his presence in this film.
I've heard that Stan Lee was in this film and I'm have to go back and see the film again to see his cameo and I've no idea who he played in this film ... drats! ... Please don't tell me anything about it!
I've didn't care for Captain America in this film ... I read some of the previous posts here and I understand why they did it and I've simply care less what they did to him in this particular film. Sorry about my negativity of Captain America here.
It's a worthy -- put together and not an easy thing to do and they tried their best to have every fan to come home with a good feeling about this film; Thanos was excellent and I've didn't see Guardians of the Galaxy and they were quite good and Groot was an unexpected surprise in this film. This film has so many twists and turns and I'm not really into the Infinity Stones and sadly this is one of my weakest knowledge of Marvel Folklore and I just find it hard to keep track of. That's one of the reasons that this film overwhelmed me in the first place. Film was nearly 3 hours long and that's not enough time to do this film properly. This film is going to one scene to the next and that's why I had a hard time following it -- that's the overwhelmed part of it and the underwhelmed -- is your mind just can't process what happening on the film and that's kind of discouraged into enjoying it.
My Grade C Plus.
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Post by Phil Maurice on Apr 29, 2018 17:03:57 GMT -5
I don't see Wakanda getting a Starbucks before May 30, if ever.😜
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 17:55:07 GMT -5
Saw the movie this afternoon, and quite liked it. My favorite reaciton to it so far has been Warren Ellis' in his weekly newsletter...
I was pleased enough to return for further interaction with the brand.
-M
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 29, 2018 21:27:27 GMT -5
I'd argue Ellis' claims about the CGI; but, the rest I would say is probably pretty accurate. I'll be interested to see how this plays with the conclusion; both how that chapter plays in and of itself and how the sync together. Thanos was a step in the right direction, as far as better villains (aside from Loki). Killmonger was another that was great. Others have been a little too vague or there is a twist that undoes them (Mandarin). Obadiah Stane was another good one; but, he and Killmonger are basically only ones you can use once (the problem of the earlier Batman films). Gotta wonder how many civilians went to this not knowing that this was originally titled Part I and were ticked off at the ending. Probably a similar percentage to Lord of the Rings (like my sister-in-law, at the end of the Fellowship. She had no clue about Tolkien). 2 hours and 40 minutes was a bit of a slog and still have it need another film to conclude the story. Glen Weldon, at NPR (resident comic blogger) has a fun review, with segments for different types of viewers. The links within his review are also worth following.
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Post by Randle-El on Apr 29, 2018 22:56:46 GMT -5
I saw it tonight and thought it lived up to the hype, with some caveats. With the amount of screen time they had and the amount of characters they had to include, there was no way that everyone was going to get equal time. If that was your goal, then it would have made a pretty crappy story. So they made a good story and tried to give each character their one-liner or moment in the light, but it was still a story driven by a smaller group of characters, and I thought that was a reasonable compromise. {Spoiler: Click to show} I was a bit disappointed that they didn't include at least a cameo by Phil Coulson. I know, I know... they said many many times that it would never happen, that it was too hard, that the TV characters would never show up on film, blah blah blah. But I held out hope that this would be one final bit of misdirection, that they would save one tiny crowd-pleasing moment as a total surprise.
I was also surprised that they went with the bold move of Thanos actually accomplishing his goal in collecting the stones.
I have to admit, it was a bit of an emotional gut-punch watching Spider-Man go.
I was expecting Cap and Tony to eventually team-up and address their unresolved issues, but I guess they are saving that for the last movie.
I was surprised that there was no Ant-Man or Hawkeye in this movie, but I'm wondering if they are saving them for something big in the next. For those that have seen the set photos from Avengers 4, it looks like some kind of time-travel or alternate universe hopping story is going on.
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Post by brutalis on Apr 30, 2018 8:04:29 GMT -5
Since nobody else has said it: AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!!!! Now I can have an easier time explaining to folks why Avengers was always MY FAVE comic while growing up. What an experience this film was. Would have been even more incredible if they had made part 2 appear after a half hour intermission. They brought the Marvel movie style and advanced it to the Nth degree. This is a Marvel Summer Annual brought to full blown life up on the big screen. The ULTIMATE summer popcorn extravaganza. While the movie has both good and bad parts it highlights nearly all of the movie characters and delivers for each their own individual moments. The jokes were funny and didn't steal the movie or come across as too out of character. The arrogance trifecta of Stark/Strange/Quill was insanely awesome. That Banner was shown to be more than just the team go to muscle-man was a good change of pace from the usual Hulk smash. Spidey doing what he does best in being more than just your neighborhood hero, being one of THE BEST Heroes ever.
Having so many super-star actors in one movie means of course some things have to get short shrift but yet the story line and character bits were done very well. Thanos is more than just a villian and Brolin did a lot to providing some of the best acting required for the emotional depths of the character. Would there be a better pay off if Brolin had been allowed to build Thanos over the other movies into this big finale? For certain but that didn't happen so we are given the best option possible with a 2 movie finale to 10 years of Marvel movies. Let us hope that part 2 finishes just as strongly as part 1. My wait for next May shall be a very long one...
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 30, 2018 14:49:44 GMT -5
The salaries for this movie must have been obscene.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 15:47:34 GMT -5
The salaries for this movie must have been obscene. Robert Downey Jr. made $50 Million ... Scarlett Johansson got $10-$20 Million for her role as Black Widow ... all others just see the video for a shocking news in this link that I provided here. This is the best that I can do ...
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