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Post by profh0011 on Oct 21, 2019 14:33:45 GMT -5
So many "superhero" movies tend to be over-loaded with villains, but in this case, they also managed to have the 3 top early BP villains in one film... and make it WORK.
Jack Kirby -- Klaw
Roy Thomas -- M'Baku The Man-Ape
Don McGregor -- Eric Killmonger
I have to admit, one of my favorite things they did in the movie... was turn M'Baku into a good guy. A good guy with a VERY BAD attitude... but one you could actually LIKE! And he came through when it counted.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Oct 22, 2019 12:16:16 GMT -5
I do think the movie has some flaws (though I'll admit I had to see it twice and then really, really think about it hard before I realized what I saw as the problems), but, one of the most amazing things the movie somehow managed to do was work as a synthesis for 2 COMPLETELY-different, seemingly-incompatible writers (McGregor & Kirby). They mostly took the "character" of Don's stories, and the "look" of Kirby's stories (without actually using any genuine Kirby designs-- it really is criminal that nobody ever hired Kirby to be production designer on a sci-fi movie).
I do admit that their procedure for choosing a leader makes receiving a sword from a watery tart look reasonable.
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Post by profh0011 on Oct 22, 2019 12:40:12 GMT -5
I do admit that their procedure for choosing a leader makes receiving a sword from a watery tart look reasonable.
 (funniest post of the day!)
That was the most obvious one, for me.
Once a year, IF someone wants to challenge THE KING, he can, and it's often (though not always) a fight to the death.
A HUGE difference between "Panther's Rage" and the movie was, in the comics, Killmonger (who apparently had once been "friends" with T'Challa), felt so completely betrayed by actions resulting from his abandonment of his own country (Don's main problem with ALL those comics Roy had written), that he started a violent revolution to overthrow the country, recruiting like-minded people who'd also suffered as a result of things that they felt T'Challa had caused.
But in the movie, Killmonger was a known international terrorist and murderer, who had BECOME one because T'Challa's FATHER had killed Killmonger's father... and then... STUPIDLY abandoned the child and left him behind in a poverty-ridden neighborhood of a foreign country. And in the movie, T'Challa felt GUILTY for his father's actions... which may have been the only reason he agreed to accept the challenge from somone everyone else on the ruling council felt was "an outsider" with no right to even make the challenge. And his GUILT led to him LOSING the fight, and almost his life.
So then, ABRUPTLY, this "outsider" is declared KING, decided to attack the entire outside world, and all who are loyal to "the throne" more than their country (and the real king) are now at odds with everyone who isn't, resulting in an ABRUPT, totally out-of-left field civil war. I mean really... WTF!!!!!
Once again, I think it's amazng how the movie plays out. But the chasm between the great execution and the very dodgy thinking behind the story reminds me of another one of my favorite films from decades back... "YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE". That film is magnificent on nearly every level... but, if you THINK about it... almost nothing about the story makes a damn bit of sense. And so it gets worse with each viewing.
And STILL, this seems like one of the BETTER "Marvel" movies.  |
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(funniest post of the day!)