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Post by badwolf on Feb 18, 2018 17:10:16 GMT -5
I haven't read all of the issues (I have the TPB) but I did read a few randoms as Marvel Tales reprints and I enjoyed them. I like Andru much better than Romita or Kane, though maybe he got better later.
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Post by Confessor on Feb 19, 2018 0:32:43 GMT -5
Although I think Steve Ditko and "Jazzy" John Romita were better comic book artists than Ross Andru overall (although Andru's art is great in-and-off-itself), nobody before or since has managed to capture the precarious, vertigo-inducing nature of Spider-Man's daredevil, rooftop webspinning. When Andru drew Spidey high above the streets of New York City, he really captured the danger of that situation and just how high above the pavement Spidey was. Andru makes me feel the vertigo, and I find myself thinking, "ooh, be careful up there Spidey." Nobody else has ever captured that effect as well, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 1:08:41 GMT -5
You made your points very well Confessor and I've can't go wrong what you've said here. Pictures are worth a thousand of words ... here a million!
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Post by Ozymandias on Feb 19, 2018 3:19:13 GMT -5
Although I think Steve Ditko and "Jazzy" John Romita were better comic book artists than Ross Andru overall (although Andru's art is great in-and-off-itself), nobody before or since has managed to capture the precarious, vertigo-inducing nature of Spider-Man's daredevil, rooftop webspinning. When Andru drew Spidey high above the streets of New York City, he really captured the danger of that situation and just how high above the pavement Spidey was. Andru makes me feel the vertigo, and I find myself thinking, "ooh, be careful up there Spidey." Nobody else has ever captured that effect as well, IMO. [...] Also, this is one of the best designed and executed comic book covers ever! His strong points are acknowledged, nonetheless, his style was ugly (to some) and his figures looked rigid and were often badly proportioned. There's also something that a friend's uncle (an artist himself) pointed out to me at the beginning of the 80's, it looks like he uses the same poses once and again, as if he were copying the same drawing. I defended Andru at the time, I was a Spider-Man fanatic, but ever since, I've always had that feeling of deja vu, when looking at his pages. And agreed, Kane was good with covers, which is why he did so many, on books he wasn't drawing.
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Post by Confessor on Feb 19, 2018 5:10:22 GMT -5
And agreed, Kane was good with covers, which is why he did so many, on books he wasn't drawing. Oops! My mistake. I had it in my head that that was Andru's pencils with Romita's inks, but you're quite right, it is Kane. I'm gonna remove that portion of my post because, being a Gil Kane cover, it's not really relevant. However, it is a great comic, with some nice Andru art inside.
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Post by tarkintino on Feb 19, 2018 7:28:28 GMT -5
a friend's uncle (an artist himself) pointed out to me at the beginning of the 80's, it looks like he uses the same poses once and again, as if he were copying the same drawing. I defended Andru at the time, I was a Spider-Man fanatic, but ever since, I've always had that feeling of deja vu, when looking at his pages. I think Andru was fortunate to be tapped to follow Romita and Kane with such strong stories running for a couple of years. It reminds me of titles such as Fantastic Four, where Rich Buckler was a shocking drop-down in quality as the successor to John Buscema's run on the title. Like the case with Andru on ASM, the stories were great, but the art always made many a reader wish someone else had illustrated it.
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Post by Ozymandias on Feb 19, 2018 8:26:28 GMT -5
a friend's uncle (an artist himself) pointed out to me at the beginning of the 80's, it looks like he uses the same poses once and again, as if he were copying the same drawing. I defended Andru at the time, I was a Spider-Man fanatic, but ever since, I've always had that feeling of deja vu, when looking at his pages. I think Andru was fortunate to be tapped to follow Romita and Kane with such strong stories running for a couple of years. It reminds me of titles such as Fantastic Four, where Rich Buckler was a shocking drop-down in quality as the successor to John Buscema's run on the title. Like the case with Andru on ASM, the stories were great, but the art always made many a reader wish someone else had illustrated it. Andru was ok for what passed as a comic artist, back in the day, it was actually the writing, that was subpar for the title.
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Post by brutalis on Feb 19, 2018 8:27:58 GMT -5
Such a splendid time to be able to get Spidey new off the spinner rack! Conway and Andru made such a superb team and they are my 2nd favorite after Stan and Romita with Stan/Ditko placing 3rd. I only ever had issues #129 and 134 from trading across the fence with a neighbor as this was just before my advent into being consumed with the purchase bug. Once I was a bit older and in full bloom collecting mode these were the affordable back issues that were available. Ditko and Romita Spidey had already became quite expensive to seek out. So by default the Conway/Andru and then buying new the Wein/Andru run off the rack was the Spider-Man I grew up with along side Peter Parker, the Spectacular Spider-Man during the late 70's.
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 19, 2018 9:34:12 GMT -5
Such a splendid time to be able to get Spidey new off the spinner rack! Conway and Andru made such a superb team and they are my 2nd favorite after Stan and Romita with Stan/Ditko placing 3rd. I only ever had issues #129 and 134 from trading across the fence with a neighbor as this was just before my advent into being consumed with the purchase bug. Once I was a bit older and in full bloom collecting mode these were the affordable back issues that were available. Ditko and Romita Spidey had already became quite expensive to seek out. So by default the Conway/Andru and then buying new the Wein/Andru run off the rack was the Spider-Man I grew up with along side Peter Parker, the Spectacular Spider-Man during the late 70's. Andru run better than Ditko?
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Post by Cei-U! on Feb 19, 2018 10:08:40 GMT -5
Ah, but he didn't say it was better, only that he liked it better.
Cei-U! I summon the world of difference!
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Post by brutalis on Feb 19, 2018 10:44:53 GMT -5
Ah, but he didn't say it was better, only that he liked it better. Cei-U! I summon the world of difference! Correct! I didn't experience the Ditko Spidey until after Andru and Romita. So while I appreciate Ditko's quirky stylized web-spinner it is within context of my mind's eye I "see/recognize" Romita and Andru as my favored versions.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 19, 2018 10:44:56 GMT -5
a friend's uncle (an artist himself) pointed out to me at the beginning of the 80's, it looks like he uses the same poses once and again, as if he were copying the same drawing. I defended Andru at the time, I was a Spider-Man fanatic, but ever since, I've always had that feeling of deja vu, when looking at his pages. I think Andru was fortunate to be tapped to follow Romita and Kane with such strong stories running for a couple of years. It reminds me of titles such as Fantastic Four, where Rich Buckler was a shocking drop-down in quality as the successor to John Buscema's run on the title. Like the case with Andru on ASM, the stories were great, but the art always made many a reader wish someone else had illustrated it. I loved Bucklers art. Also remember that Marvel kept Joe Sinnott on as inker all the way to Byrnes run at #232. It kept the look consistent.
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 19, 2018 13:24:03 GMT -5
Ah, but he didn't say it was better, only that he liked it better. Cei-U! I summon the world of difference! Okay, I get the difference. I started buying Spider-man in mid Gil Kane, around the #90s. So I moved right into the Andru period. But I was going back to Ditko and Romita by back issues and reprints. I still found the Andru period to be a step down from what came before. And I know I am in the minority here, but i liked it better when Keith Pollard took over for Andru. I liked Buckler on FF too, but it's hard to follow Big John B.
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Post by Rob Allen on Feb 19, 2018 19:52:00 GMT -5
Notice the billboard in the upper right - "Backgrounds by Hunt". I think they started giving Dave Hunt co-inking credit (with Frank Giacoia) around this time.
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Post by Cei-U! on Feb 19, 2018 20:42:04 GMT -5
Notice the billboard in the upper right - "Backgrounds by Hunt". I think they started giving Dave Hunt co-inking credit (with Frank Giacoia) around this time. Prior to Hunt, Tony Mortellaro was sneaking similar "signatures" into the backgrounds of the later Romita and Kane issues. Cei-U! I summon the precedent!
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