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Post by nero9000 on Mar 23, 2018 9:06:47 GMT -5
I completely disagree. Crisis is such an iconic and important comic book event, there's a ton of room for commentary, with things like it's impact on fandom, on the industry, how the decade it was created in effected it, what the creatives behind it were hoping to achieve etc, etc. There is lots of room for a real in-depth critical analysis here. But again, that will take hard work. You forgot one important facet, which is the actual events in the story. Everything you mentioned requires a kind of advanced expertise on DC comics, while this review was specifically designed to show the spontaneous reactions of a DC-noob reading it for the first time. And this issue in particular absolutely had no plot to even describe. Anyway, I picked this particular format up after seeing it used in other boards, where I quite enjoyed being on the other end. It basically requires for the members to either know the material well or to follow along by reading the comic themselves. I can see on this board it's attracting a ton of criticism, but I'm honestly not interested in doing a basic "high quality" review. Sometimes you gotta try something different, even if it ends up being a bomb. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 23, 2018 9:09:31 GMT -5
I completely disagree. Crisis is such an iconic and important comic book event, there's a ton of room for commentary, with things like it's impact on fandom, on the industry, how the decade it was created in effected it, what the creatives behind it were hoping to achieve etc, etc. There is lots of room for a real in-depth critical analysis here. But again, that will take hard work. You forgot one important facet, which is the actual events in the story. Everything you mentioned requires a kind of advanced expertise on DC comics, while this review was specifically designed to show the spontaneous reactions of a DC-noob reading it for the first time. And this issue in particular absolutely had no plot to even describe. Anyway, I picked this particular format up after seeing it used in other boards, where I quite enjoyed being on the other end. It basically requires for the members to either know the material well or to follow along by reading the comic themselves. I can see on this board it's attracting a ton of criticism, but I'm honestly not interested in doing a basic "high quality" review. Sometimes you gotta try something different, even if it ends up being a bomb. Congratulations. |
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Post by rberman on Mar 23, 2018 9:46:01 GMT -5
Speaking as the one who encouraged Nero9000 to start this thread: Obviously Crisis was intended as the culmination of 40 years of DC/Charlton/Fawcett continuity and thus is a rough on-ramp for a reader who only knows Marvel. It can still be interesting to see the series through fresh eyes, even without knowledge of all the allusions and backplot. But not enough for an issue by issue or page by page commentary, especially without images to jog our memory.
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Post by nero9000 on Mar 23, 2018 13:12:07 GMT -5
Well, I didn't know no one has actually ever read Crisis and needed intricate play by play. I mean, I remember all the really classic stuff by heart, and I haven't read 'em in years...  Anyway, people are getting really salty around here. It's like my horrible reviews have personally insulted them or something. |
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Post by badwolf on Mar 23, 2018 14:56:00 GMT -5
I just feel like you aren't even trying to like the book. I know that some people like to "hate read" stuff -- read something they know they won't like just to make fun of it -- and that's what your reviews sound like.
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Post by String on Mar 23, 2018 17:32:26 GMT -5
Speaking as the one who encouraged Nero9000 to start this thread: Obviously Crisis was intended as the culmination of 40 years of DC/Charlton/Fawcett continuity and thus is a rough on-ramp for a reader who only knows Marvel. It can still be interesting to see the series through fresh eyes, even without knowledge of all the allusions and backplot. But not enough for an issue by issue or page by page commentary, especially without images to jog our memory. It's one thing if, as a new reader, I didn't have the in-depth knowledge of DC lore to fully get the finer nuances of this series. It's another thing entirely if they're injecting characters from a totally different publisher that I was unaware about. For example, Blue Beetle was by far the most interesting of the Charlton characters to me at that time. Yet there was no indication that should I had desired to find/read his previous adventures, I should seek out his Charlton appearances rather than scour various past DC titles for some hint. It would be years after this that I would learn of that connection. It's the same with Fawcett. I at least knew of and liked Shazam from his Saturday morning cartoon and the TV show when I saw the Marvel Family appear in Crisis. I even saw and bought his appearances in the All-Star Squadron comic. His appearances in World's Finest drew my attention as well as any copies I could find of his 70s DC comic. But it would be some time before I learned of his long comic history with Fawcett and absorption into DC. Who's Who was a nice resource at that time but that just provided a bare starting point. And that's even when the mini caught up with the characters I wanted to read about. Crisis #6 featured the first real intro of the Freedom Fighters into the series. Never heard of them before then. Yet that same month that #6 was released, Who's Who was on #7 which covered the last of D-E (Close but no cigar yet). Even then, their bio may highlight the more popular of their adventures but would give little to no info on where to find those particular stories. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 2, 2018 8:10:44 GMT -5
It's been 8 days since we got another review of COIE. Does this mean that the earth that nero9000 is on got swallowed by the crisis?
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 2, 2018 8:15:46 GMT -5
It's been 8 days since we got another review of COIE. Does this mean that the earth that nero9000 is on got swallowed by the crisis? Well, it was 30 days between COIE issues, so.... |
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 2, 2018 8:34:13 GMT -5
Or did he get impeached and someone is taking over ?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 2, 2018 8:36:21 GMT -5
Well, I want to read the rest! It’s like a MST3000 reading of COIE, a treatment that several series could stand!
Personally, I wasn’t particularly annoyed by being unfamiliar with most obscure DC and Charlton characters when first reading COIE. I just accepted that there would be tons of unkown heroes and villains in such an ambitious story, and no pivotal plot twist depended on the reader knowing that aubergine kryptonite made the Superman of Earth-Aleph capable of solving any particular problem.
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 2, 2018 9:07:32 GMT -5
Well, I want to read the rest! It’s like a MST3000 reading of COIE, a treatment that several series could stand! Personally, I wasn’t particularly annoyed by being unfamiliar with most obscure DC and Charlton characters when first reading COIE. I just accepted that there would be tons of unkown heroes and villains in such an ambitious story, and no pivotal plot twist depended on the reader knowing that aubergine kryptonite made the Superman of Earth-Aleph capable of solving any particular problem. Right, and I have to say I was going crazy trying to figure out where "Lady Quark" and Earth-6 had first appeared. Wolfman was pulling a fast one by adding new (however short-lived) characters in addition to resurrecting long-forgotten ones. That was part of what fun there was in COIE. |
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Post by badwolf on Apr 2, 2018 10:25:47 GMT -5
One of the things Crisis did for me, as someone who wasn't overly familiar with their universe, was made me realize how vast and rich it was. I had NO idea before.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Apr 2, 2018 11:37:37 GMT -5
Right, and I have to say I was going crazy trying to figure out where "Lady Quark" and Earth-6 had first appeared. Wolfman was pulling a fast one by adding new (however short-lived) characters in addition to resurrecting long-forgotten ones. That was part of what fun there was in COIE. That actually bugged me, first because I considered the characters incredibly bland, second because there were still countless Earths undepicted and if we needed a 'solo survivor' it ought to have been one of them. Heck I'd have loved to see Tara Terruna in an important role! |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Apr 2, 2018 18:51:21 GMT -5
Right, and I have to say I was going crazy trying to figure out where "Lady Quark" and Earth-6 had first appeared. Wolfman was pulling a fast one by adding new (however short-lived) characters in addition to resurrecting long-forgotten ones. That was part of what fun there was in COIE. That actually bugged me, first because I considered the characters incredibly bland, second because there were still countless Earths undepicted and if we needed a 'solo survivor' it ought to have been one of them. Heck I'd have loved to see Tara Terruna in an important role! *Googles* OH YEAH, the alternate universe Wonder Woman. I had forgotten about her. That was the first DC Multiverse story, 8 years before "Flash of Two Worlds." If she showed up in Crisis I like it 10% better. |
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Post by nero9000 on Apr 3, 2018 13:18:13 GMT -5
There won't be more reviews. This was supposed to be a fun exercise that brought joy into people's lives, but instead it was making everybody miserable.
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