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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Apr 6, 2018 19:09:51 GMT -5
You can be sure they will be collected in some form. They were mostly all Infinity Gauntlet/War/Crusade tie in issues I just never bought. The appearances in them are probably pretty minor and insignificant. So I don't imagine they're too expensive now. Or with patience something I could probably find in dollar bins too. Plus there's no such thing as a Darkseidcopter. That's easily a con in which is the better villain.  free image upload no sign up
I would give mad respect to the writers of the new movie if there is a line that references this.
Tony (gazes upward as Thanos' ship lands on Earth)- "Well, that is a lot bigger than a helicopter"
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Post by spoon on Apr 6, 2018 20:48:03 GMT -5
For those who don't know the story. The original Starlin Thanos design was closer to Metron, not Darkseid. It was Roy Thomas that suggested Starlin revamp him to the be more like Darkseid. I never read a lot of Thanos because he seemed like a less interesting Darkseid, just a cosmic tough who engaged in close quarters combat instead of doing most of his dirty work from a distance, as true tyrants like Kang and Dr. Doom were known to do. The other character that I think of in the same breath is Claremont's Apocalypse, who also never caught my fancy. Claremont didn't create Apocalypse. Apocalypse first appeared in a cameo in Bob Layton's last issue of X-Factor and then had a full appearance in Louise Simonson's first issue of X-Factor. I don't think Claremont had any role in X-Factor. Also, remember that Fall of the Mutants was a sort of anti-crossover; X-Men and X-Factor were really separate storylines, so Apocalypse wasn't in X-Men. I don't think Claremont actually wrote Apocalypse at all in his original run. |
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Post by rberman on Apr 6, 2018 21:06:03 GMT -5
I never read a lot of Thanos because he seemed like a less interesting Darkseid, just a cosmic tough who engaged in close quarters combat instead of doing most of his dirty work from a distance, as true tyrants like Kang and Dr. Doom were known to do. The other character that I think of in the same breath is Claremont's Apocalypse, who also never caught my fancy. Claremont didn't create Apocalypse. Apocalypse first appeared in a cameo in Bob Layton's last issue of X-Factor and then had a full appearance in Louise Simonson's first issue of X-Factor. I don't think Claremont had any role in X-Factor. Also, remember that Fall of the Mutants was a sort of anti-crossover; X-Men and X-Factor were really separate storylines, so Apocalypse wasn't in X-Men. I don't think Claremont actually wrote Apocalypse at all in his original run. I stand corrected about his origin! But not his Darkseid derivativeness and boringness... |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Apr 7, 2018 9:44:32 GMT -5
They were mostly all Infinity Gauntlet/War/Crusade tie in issues I just never bought. The appearances in them are probably pretty minor and insignificant. So I don't imagine they're too expensive now. Or with patience something I could probably find in dollar bins too. Plus there's no such thing as a Darkseidcopter. That's easily a con in which is the better villain. free image upload no sign up
I would give mad respect to the writers of the new movie if there is a line that references this.
Tony (gazes upward as Thanos' ship lands on Earth)- "Well, that is a lot bigger than a helicopter"
Nolan's Batman films could have improved with a little humor in referencing some of the goofy vechicles from Adam West's Batman show. Especially at the hands of Micheal Caine or Morgan Freeman. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 7, 2018 10:12:51 GMT -5
I would give mad respect to the writers of the new movie if there is a line that references this.
Tony (gazes upward as Thanos' ship lands on Earth)- "Well, that is a lot bigger than a helicopter"
Nolan's Batman films could have improved with a little humor in referencing some of the goofy vechicles from Adam West's Batman show. Especially at the hands of Micheal Caine or Morgan Freeman. I don't remember any vehicles from the Adam West Batman half as goofy as "The Tumbler." |
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Post by spoon on Apr 7, 2018 10:52:13 GMT -5
Nolan's Batman films could have improved with a little humor in referencing some of the goofy vechicles from Adam West's Batman show. Especially at the hands of Micheal Caine or Morgan Freeman. I don't remember any vehicles from the Adam West Batman half as goofy as "The Tumbler." That vehicle is one reason I can't get on-board the notion that Nolan's Batman was purely gritty realism. Driving such a behemoth pretty much guarantees Batman would be easily tracked and his secret identity would be immediately uncovered. My best efforts at suspension of disbelief were annihilated anytime it showed up. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Apr 7, 2018 10:54:50 GMT -5
Nolan's Batman films could have improved with a little humor in referencing some of the goofy vechicles from Adam West's Batman show. Especially at the hands of Micheal Caine or Morgan Freeman. I don't remember any vehicles from the Adam West Batman half as goofy as "The Tumbler." Which is funny because I'm sure they were going for realistic and yet it fell flat on its face. |
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Post by String on Apr 7, 2018 10:59:06 GMT -5
I can understand Thanos' motivations far better than Darkseid's motivations. I still don't fully understand what the Anti-Life equation is supposed to be or what it's supposed to do.
But worshipping death because you LOVE Death? That's insanely creepy. Plus, the twist of him subconsciously feeling unworthy of wielding such great power is one of the best character insights that I've ever read. It softens him, an interesting character progression that I couldn't see happening with other major villains like say, Doom.
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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 7, 2018 12:08:12 GMT -5
The Anti-Life Equation removes the capacity for free will from sentient beings, giving whoever wields the equation absolute control over them. At least that's how Grant Morrison explained it during the JLA "Rock of Ages" story arc, which dovetails quite nicely with the hints Kirby dropped in the original Fourth World titles.
Cei-U!
I summon the formula for universal control!
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 7, 2018 13:08:32 GMT -5
The Anti-Life Equation removes the capacity for free will from sentient beings, giving whoever wields the equation absolute control over them. At least that's how Grant Morrison explained it during the JLA "Rock of Ages" story arc, which dovetails quite nicely with the hints Kirby dropped in the original Fourth World titles. Cei-U! I summon the formula for universal control! As a villain motivator, Darkseid's is flawlessly logical (for one seeking control), as opposed to Thanos, a villain with a nonsensical (and contradictory) worship of/obsession with death. |
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Post by badwolf on Apr 7, 2018 17:21:44 GMT -5
I think the anti-life equation has had different interpretations depending on who is writing.
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Post by String on Apr 7, 2018 17:31:50 GMT -5
Anti-life=loss of free will... so in other words, Darkseid wants to lord over mere cattle then. Where's the fun in that?
Meanwhile, all Thanos managed to accomplish was, by hook or by crook, acquire a mere 5 stone MacGuffins which gave him mastery over everything and basically usurp the entire cosmic hierarchy of the Marvel Universe. And all at the whim of his mistress Death.
For me, one of the most primal and potentially dangerous motivations is simply, "What would you do for love?" Thanos' answer is quite chilling indeed.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 7, 2018 21:18:56 GMT -5
Kirby wrote Darkseid as the ultimate manifestation of fascism. Anti-Life meant total loss of free will and subservience to whoever controlled the equation. he spells it out the most in the Forever People, in the issues with Glorious Godfrey. There, the followers of Godfrey's Anti-Life evangelism become fascist thugs, rounding people up and attacking them. Kirby said Darkseid represented everyone who had ever done Kirby wrong or he considered evil or manipulative, petty; every bully, every anti-Semite or bigot, everyone who exploited the little man for personal gain. It is writ large in the stories. The Hunger Dogs blindly follow every command from Darkseid and his lieutenants. they have no will of their own. They feed his war machine. Anti-Life is the secret that would let Darkseid expand this across the universe.
Later writers never quite grasped the philosophical elements of the 4th World, or felt they were uncommercial (which they were, to a certain extent) and just treated him as a grand dictator, ala Dr Doom. There are parallels with Doom; but, Darkseid takes it further, into more abstract realms.
Granny Goodness is just an evil b@#%$! Darkseid occasionally showed honorable traits; she didn't. Same with Desaad.
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Post by earl on Apr 9, 2018 6:46:07 GMT -5
Thanos works more in the comics as he is willing to go get his hands dirty.
Darkseid is usually a very passive part of any story he is in, usually sending his lackey's to go do his bidding and usually ending up ticked when they fail. You usually don't see Darkseid in action until right at the climax.
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Post by earl on Apr 9, 2018 6:48:54 GMT -5
I'd say Starlin and Mignola's "Cosmic Odyssey" along with "Legends" after the Crisis was the big start of Darkseid as big villain in the DC universe. Later on you get Morrison's comics from "Rock of Ages" onwards, but Darkseid is a main bad guy in a lot of Post-Crisis Superman.
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