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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Apr 9, 2018 8:20:12 GMT -5
I'd say Starlin and Mignola's "Cosmic Odyssey" along with "Legends" after the Crisis was the big start of Darkseid as big villain in the DC universe. Later on you get Morrison's comics from "Rock of Ages" onwards, but Darkseid is a main bad guy in a lot of Post-Crisis Superman. While I am certainly no expert with Darkseid, Cosmic Odyssey is a great story all around, but one I would say made the biggest impression on me with Darkseid. Maybe that's Starlin's writing. I don't remember enough of Legends, other than it being about propaganda to undermine the legacy of superheros with everyday people. Some loudmouthed mouthpiece of Darkseid's spreading lies about the heroes. The only other big story I can think of with Darkseid was Death of the New Gods, which usually gets stones thrown at me at the mere mention. :-) Though to be fair, I haven't read it a second time, so I really can't remember if the hate is well deserved or not. |
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Post by mikelmidnight on Apr 9, 2018 11:46:25 GMT -5
Kirby wrote Darkseid as the ultimate manifestation of fascism. Anti-Life meant total loss of free will and subservience to whoever controlled the equation. he spells it out the most in the Forever People, in the issues with Glorious Godfrey. There, the followers of Godfrey's Anti-Life evangelism become fascist thugs, rounding people up and attacking them. Kirby said Darkseid represented everyone who had ever done Kirby wrong or he considered evil or manipulative, petty; every bully, every anti-Semite or bigot, everyone who exploited the little man for personal gain. It is writ large in the stories. The Hunger Dogs blindly follow every command from Darkseid and his lieutenants. they have no will of their own. They feed his war machine. Anti-Life is the secret that would let Darkseid expand this across the universe. I think you've nailed it. I haven't always liked Morrison's writing on the New Gods, but I do think he's the only one who grasped (or even tried to grasp) what Kirby's intention was. Yeah but they're both so much fun. |
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Post by berkley on Apr 10, 2018 11:41:23 GMT -5
I think the fascism angle is there and may well have been at the core of Kirby's initial conception of Darkseid, but I don't believe the character can be pinned down that specifically. For example, purposely or not, the denizens of Armagetto often remind one as much of the horrendously abused workers of the early industrial revolution as they do of the downtrodden victims of 20th century totalitarian regimes. So I see Darkseid as the embodiment of a wider concept - something like the drive to dominate, to rule, to control, what Nietzsche called the will to power, and believed was the fundamental basis of existence, which is why Darkseid says he is "the Tiger-force at the core of all things".
This is obviously why Darkseid is a very different character to Thanos - and also why Thanos is more relateable to readers, and why the New Gods in general aren't popular with superhero audiences: Darkseid and the other New Gods aren't meant to be relatable (is this a word? spellcheck doesn't seem to think so) in the way readers usually look for in characters; because they really are mythic figures, anthropomorphic, but not quite human enough for readers to relate to in the way they do to Thanos, alien space-tyrant though he be.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 13:20:35 GMT -5
You can be sure they will be collected in some form. They were mostly all Infinity Gauntlet/War/Crusade tie in issues I just never bought. The appearances in them are probably pretty minor and insignificant. So I don't imagine they're too expensive now. Or with patience something I could probably find in dollar bins too. Plus there's no such thing as a Darkseidcopter. That's easily a con in which is the better villain.  free image upload no sign upThanos may have a copter, but Darkseid has a cool-ass van!   -M |
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 10, 2018 23:21:43 GMT -5
Don't forget his flagship...  |
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 11, 2018 0:57:38 GMT -5
...at least its not a helicopter!
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Apr 11, 2018 1:19:24 GMT -5
Don't forget his flagship... Pshaw. This doesn't even Darkseid's name written in big letters on the side. For all we know that is the Bizzarro-mobile or the Mxyztplk Maurader. An embarrassment to supervillain vehicles, not fit to be in the same thread as the ThanosCopter. |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Apr 11, 2018 3:46:27 GMT -5
Thanos may have a copter, but Darkseid has a cool-ass van! -M A windowless van... Knew he was evil, but I never figured him as one of *those* kind of creeps... |
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