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Post by comicsandwho on Jun 27, 2018 16:30:11 GMT -5
Wouldn't Lois Lane. Jimmy Olsen. And Perey White be the 3 MOST known known. non-super characters of all. Then Tin-Tin and Asterix. Yes, but technically, Jimmy first appeared on the Superman radio show in 1940, and was added to the comics in SUPERMAN # 13, the next year(although an unnamed 'office boy with red hair' was shown as early as ACTION COMICS # 6, it was the Superman issue which was the first instance of his name being used in comics).
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 27, 2018 20:43:48 GMT -5
Alfred is pretty famous, I'd at least rank him a little above Perry White. Lois and Jimmy did have their own titles for quite awhile. Did J. Jonah Jameson ever even get a solo story with no Spider-Man involved?
And those Turtles, fer shure. They were everywhere before long and never go away for long. I kind of wish I'd kept the Usgai and 'punkrock hog' guy figures with the little swords and garbage can shield and stuff I had once. That's what you get for 'growing up', and moving around a bunch too.
The Spirit? A tough-guy detective, and his 'section' in newspapers was basically a comic book as opposed to the daily and sunday strips which were small parts of a longer story.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 27, 2018 21:53:11 GMT -5
I think after Gotham Alfred is definitely more known than anyone but Lois and Jimmy as far as non-powered superhero characters go, but I didn't think that's what the thread was going for.
I don't think any Marvel side characters are close...you have Jarvis (who is really only known to comic fans), JJJ (probably the top one) Pepper Potts (who is own there since the movies, but I'd bet few people remember her name, probably more 'Gweneth Paltrow's character').. maybe Aunt May?
I'd consider the turtles to be a superhero comic really.. and while clearly Usagi isn't, aren't Samurai kinda RL superheroes? Asterix is almost a superhero, too, really.
I think if I was picking, I'd take Uncle Scrooge as far as media penetration goes... just about everyone knows about the money bin and the theme song.
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 27, 2018 21:58:36 GMT -5
Would Preacher count ?
Scott Pilgrim should be in there.
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Post by comicsandwho on Jun 27, 2018 23:44:03 GMT -5
Alfred is pretty famous, I'd at least rank him a little above Perry White. Lois and Jimmy did have their own titles for quite awhile. Did J. Jonah Jameson ever even get a solo story with no Spider-Man involved?
There were a couple of 1983 issues where Jonah had a very prominent place on the cover. An issue of AMAZING(I want to say 246) shows Jonah punching out Spider-Man, proclaiming 'This is my greatest TRIUMPH!'(Spoilers abound that this is only a small part of the story, and there's a lot more to it...not a hoax, not an imaginary story, not a What If..so it must be that other thing comics were when the story was a bit 'weird'... Also in '83, in SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN # 80, is a story told almost completely from Jonah's point of view, written like a good old-fashioned film noir, as he gets 'personally involved' in a story about mob activity 'on the waterfront', and gets all 'Walter Winchell' about it. The annoying web-guy shows up here and there, just so Jonah has something to complain about while he's saving the day like...um...Jimmy Olsen.
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 28, 2018 7:11:22 GMT -5
Sin City ?
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Post by MDG on Jun 28, 2018 8:47:57 GMT -5
Re Turtles, Preacher, Scott Pilgrim: I took the question to mean "real life" characters in stories w/o fantastic elements (though I guess there are hoverbikes, dinosaurs, etc. in the early L&R stories).
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Post by MDG on Jun 28, 2018 8:52:28 GMT -5
Original to comic books, so not Casper or Donald Duck (animation) nor Sad Sack or Little Lulu (magazines/newspapers) for example, but not super-heroes. Who would be in the hall of fame based on longevity or appearing in other media [Itals mine--MDG] after starting in comics? I just re-read this more carefully, and it brings me to a question that's always bugged me: why is "comic books" the only medium where the major indicator of success seems to be appearing in another medium?
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Post by shaxper on Jun 28, 2018 9:01:44 GMT -5
If I don't sound like a broken record by now. While not so big in the United States, he's a veritable legacy character in Europe, once having his own animated series and recently receiving his own boardgame. As for why he's great... My brief explanation: Pssst...Make sure to check out the Advance Warning Thread before jumping in with your selection!8. Corto Maltese: The Ballad of the Salty Sea (1967-1969)By: Hugo Pratt Originally published in: Sergeant Kirk Magazine #1-20 Hugo Pratt was really just getting started when he first produced this serial feature as a backup in his Sgt. Kirk magazine, but it became the work for which he is best known. While later Corto Maltese adventures show tremendous growth in terms of visuals, there's a magic, depth, and level of artistry to be found in this initial saga that is far more fleeting in the ensuing adventures (at least in the ones that have been published in the United States thus far). The magic of this volume lies primarily in its sense of understatement. The most important elements of this story, in terms of characterization, motives, and (most importantly) symbolism, are muted and rarely paraded on panel for the convenience of the reader. Even key plot points and the passage of time itself become obscured and dream-like at times. Much as with the sea for which the story is named, Ballad is reluctant to spell out its secrets for the sake of the reader. The same burning frustration Corto feels when looking out at the ocean and wondering if he doesn't have it all wrong pervades the telling of this story and challenges us to look deep. And, of course, as this is Pratt's first outing, the story matures as it goes, the early chapters trying far too hard to introduce action sequences that aren't warranted once every twenty pages. Once those subside, the flight of those damn gulls and the heavy silences that accompany them are far more striking than the fists that swing and the guns that fire. This series fires on all engines like no other, providing simple guilty pleasure escapism while hiding complexity and depth like Easter eggs in nearly every page, there only if you're open to receiving it. I've never read anything else quite like this, and while five re-readings have exposed some of the work's flaws that I otherwise might never have noticed, it still remains one of my absolute favorite sagas of all time and likely the greatest adventure epic ever committed to the comic book page. And, my more thorough explanation: www.classiccomics.org/thread/4294/shaxpers-graphic-novel-quest-2017?page=2
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Post by rberman on Jun 28, 2018 9:54:15 GMT -5
Original to comic books, so not Casper or Donald Duck (animation) nor Sad Sack or Little Lulu (magazines/newspapers) for example, but not super-heroes. Who would be in the hall of fame based on longevity or appearing in other media [Itals mine--MDG] after starting in comics? I just re-read this more carefully, and it brings me to a question that's always bugged me: why is "comic books" the only medium where the major indicator of success seems to be appearing in another medium? In this case, it's a surrogate marker for broad appeal, since comic books have been surpassed by more modern technologies for the telling of image-based stories.
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Post by MDG on Jun 28, 2018 10:44:26 GMT -5
I just re-read this more carefully, and it brings me to a question that's always bugged me: why is "comic books" the only medium where the major indicator of success seems to be appearing in another medium? In this case, it's a surrogate marker for broad appeal, since comic books have been surpassed by more modern technologies for the telling of image-based stories. Maybe, but this has been true since the 40s.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 28, 2018 11:09:31 GMT -5
In this case, it's a surrogate marker for broad appeal, since comic books have been surpassed by more modern technologies for the telling of image-based stories. Maybe, but this has been true since the 40s. Yes,but... 1. While once mainstream, comic books have been a niche form of entertainment for two decades now. 2. While once few and far between, comic-adaptation films have dominated mainstream entertainment for two decades now. One could argue the movies essentially replaced the books in terms of pop culture presence.
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Post by rberman on Jun 28, 2018 13:13:43 GMT -5
Maybe, but this has been true since the 40s. Yes,but... 1. While once mainstream, comic books have been a niche form of entertainment for two decades now. 2. While once few and far between, comic-adaptation films have dominated mainstream entertainment for two decades now. One could argue the movies essentially replaced the books in terms of pop culture presence. And the ability of cinema to realize much of what we expect in comic books (Superman uses heat vision to melt a machine gun; bullet bounces off of Captain America's shield; Mystique transforms into a doppelganger of Agent Gyrich; Spider-Man swings across Times Square) has really only come into its own in the last two decades, which doubtless plays some role in why comic book-based movies are more financially successful now than in the 1940s, when comic books were much more widely read, and the appetite for seeing movies based on those characters might have been expected to be stronger.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 28, 2018 13:23:53 GMT -5
Er, what they said. Movie serials got a lot of eyes in the '40s-early '50s that may've missed the comics, so cool to see them on DVD now.
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Post by MDG on Jun 28, 2018 13:36:35 GMT -5
My point is: why can't a comic be a great comic and that's enough? Nobody says Waiting for Godot or A Confederacy of Dunces hasn't "made it" because they haven't been made into a move (or a comic).
The question here is posed as "characters," but is Suicide Squad or Ant-Man "greater" than a work like American Flagg or Black Hole or the USS Stevens saga or A Contract with God?
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