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Post by MDG on Sept 7, 2018 8:26:10 GMT -5
Makes me wonder if Infantino and company got paid double (i.e., for two pages) for that. Probably not. Cei-U! I summon the bargain! There was a short period (probably only a couple of months) where Marvel had artists turn artboards sideways and draw two story pages on a single board and only pay for one page. Here's an example:
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 7, 2018 8:30:21 GMT -5
Makes me wonder if Infantino and company got paid double (i.e., for two pages) for that. Probably not. Cei-U! I summon the bargain! There was a short period (probably only a couple of months) where Marvel had artists turn artboards sideways and draw two story pages on a single board and only pay for one page. Here's an example:
And then they just shot them up to fit the page size? Ex-chiselly-or! (BTW, for Vince Colletta, those aren't the worst inks ever...) |
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 7, 2018 9:19:40 GMT -5
Colletta always did work well over Tuska, and considering how much I hate Vinnie's work that's high praise.
Cei-U!
I summon the rare thumbs up!
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Post by brutalis on Sept 7, 2018 13:37:29 GMT -5
Colletta always did work well over Tuska, and considering how much I hate Vinnie's work that's high praise. Cei-U! I summon the rare thumbs up! My own personal opinion is Colletta inks worked well with penciller's who had a strong style and design sense like Kirby, Tuska, Heck and John Buscema. When he didn't feel rushed or overwhelmed or the pages were too "busy" looking he delivered good inking jobs. However when he was working a deadline or the companies needed a rush job then he would begin erasing to save time and effort to make the inking job easily more suitable to his own tastes. With new artists he was good at "cleaning up" their weaknesses until they were more developed in their skills and such. Early George Perez art showed the potential of his greatness to come but a lot of Perez bodies and positioning's/etc were at times awkward or clumsy. Mike Grell is another artist that Colletta didn't mesh well with all the details and backgrounds in Warlord. Grell didn't like Colletta's inks on him so Grell developed his skills quickly and to get things in on time as they promised to remove Colletta if Grell could produce on a monthly basis and stay ahead of shipping schedules. |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Sept 7, 2018 16:05:41 GMT -5
On Colletta, I agree with brutalis that it depended whose art he was inking. For example, his style worked well over Mike Vosburg's pencils - I'm thinking of several issues of the obscure Starfire series back in the late '70s. His inks also meshed pretty well with, surprisingly, Byrne's pencils, of which the sole example I know of is Spectacular Spider-man #58. I vaguely recall reading somewhere that Byrne wasn't happy with the finished art, but I thought it looked pretty good.
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 7, 2018 17:09:06 GMT -5
On Colletta, I agree with brutalis that it depended whose art he was inking. For example, his style worked well over Mike Vosburg's pencils - I'm thinking of several issues of the obscure Starfire series back in the late '70s. His inks also meshed pretty well with, surprisingly, Byrne's pencils, of which the sole example I know of is Spectacular Spider-man #58. I vaguely recall reading somewhere that Byrne wasn't happy with the finished art, but I thought it looked pretty good. I must respectfully disagree: I thought his inking over Byrne was crap, and his work over Vosburg only marginally better. To me, Colletta is the very dictionary definition of a hack.
Cei-U! I summon the different strokes!
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Post by Rob Allen on Sept 7, 2018 17:33:24 GMT -5
I think Colletta employed a lot of assistants - he had a studio pumping out romance comics stories for a couple of decades. Matt Baker, Dick Giordano and Joe Sinnott ghost-pencilled romance stories for Colletta in the late 50s-early 60s; not sure who else might have worked there over the years. The quality of a Colletta inking job probably had a lot to do with who actually put the brush to the paper and how much time Vince had to review & correct it.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 8, 2018 4:38:34 GMT -5
Man, I'll always love Collettas work.  This one is all by Colletta  |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Sept 8, 2018 5:59:08 GMT -5
That lower image in particular is quite nice. Over the years I've come across quite a few examples of really nice art by Colletta, mainly from romance comics, but given what Rob noted about his studio, I'm wondering how to figure out what he actually did by all by himself.
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Post by MDG on Sept 8, 2018 8:20:48 GMT -5
That lower image in particular is quite nice. Over the years I've come across quite a few examples of really nice art by Colletta, mainly from romance comics, but given what Rob noted about his studio, I'm wondering how to figure out what he actually did by all by himself. Also, in the 70s, I heard he'd get stories that had to be inked just about overnight. But I've never really heard a lot about how his "studio" was run, who was actually doint the work, etc.
But, yeah--lots of very nice romance work in the 50s-60s.
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Post by kirby101 on Sept 8, 2018 9:10:34 GMT -5
The debate isn't if Colletta was a talented artist and inker. he was, when he took his time his inks on Kirby were very nice. There are a lot of good Kirby/Colletta Thor pages.
It's about the shortcuts he took and rush jobs done at his studio, removing figures and simplifying backgrounds. Kirby didn't remove him form the Fourth World books because of any lack in ability.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 14, 2018 15:02:40 GMT -5
Brian Azarello and Cliff Chiang were supposed to do a Batman book to spin out of the First Wave books. When First Wave went away they readjusted the story to be a stand-alone mini-series from Vertigo. But alas it never came to be.
Chiang had another story set at a costume party that teamed up Bruce Wayne in a movie serial Batman costume and Tyrone Power in his Zorro costume. Unfortunately legal yanked it before it could appear in Batman: Black & White.
Sigh.
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Post by kirby101 on Sept 14, 2018 15:08:21 GMT -5
Hey Icctrombone, thought you'd like to see this. Pencils:  Colletta:  Royer:  |
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 14, 2018 16:46:22 GMT -5
The Colleta inked page looks the same as the Royer's page. He didn't erase EVERY page.
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Post by brutalis on Sept 14, 2018 17:25:21 GMT -5
The Colleta inked page looks the same as the Royer's page. He didn't erase EVERY page. Really only minor differences that I can see. The buildings, the bodies muscles and then with Thor's hammer Mjolnir and his knee cuffs/pads and the rubble upon the ground. Differences based upon inking style and no erasing on this one. So to me it depends upon what inking you like. Royer's heavier lines or the finer Colleta line work. Both look good but just like Icctrombone I'm partial to Colletta. I have never quite understood the Colletta "hate" as I consider Colletta being like Tom Cruise in a movie. Neither will make or break them for me. They aren't going to be "SPECTACULAR" but I know that, so I simply enjoy them for what they are; entertainment. |
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