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Post by kirby101 on Nov 26, 2022 15:29:37 GMT -5
It's much easier to put a small country in the midst of East Europe or mid Africa than a large East coast city in the US, where most of the readers are.
Anyone visit Latvia or Moldova? If Andorra or Luxembourg can nestle in Europe, so can the city state of Latveria. And does it really bother you to have a small mid African country near Benin or Burkina Faso or Gabon. If that is all you got for Marvel being not any more real as DC, I don't think your argument is as good as you think it is.
So Andorra and Luxemborg justify the existence of Latveria, but the existence of NYC can't justify the existence of Gotham City?
If you can't see the flaw in that argument, then I can't explain it to you.
If you can't see the flaw at equating two small countries on different continents with a major city in the US, where the other real major cities seem to be absent, I can't explain it to you.
So neither was any more real to you. I would hazard to guess that the vast majority of readers felt differently.
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 26, 2022 16:01:28 GMT -5
The next time somebody complains that comic book fans sit around and argue over meaningless crap, I can just point them to this thread. That will show them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 16:14:05 GMT -5
In the spirit of that, I'm going to add a meaningless contribution to keep it going. Forget the "naming of locations", it's not just the literal map markers but what "happens" at those locations. The following scenes are based on the quest for a cannoli. I submit to you that DC could not pull off this level of "realism"...this is a New York minute if there ever was one: But alas, neither Ben nor Peter would be the "Victor" this day:
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Post by tarkintino on Nov 26, 2022 17:29:16 GMT -5
The Silver Age DC did not try to place their stories in the real world. Well, that's not entirely true, as the major landmarks of Washington D.C. appeared from time to time (in Superman, for one example), while the Pyramids of Egypt, and other real world landmarks popped up in other DC titles. Even JFK appeared in that memorable issue of Superman #170, so Silver Age DC did not sell itself as some completely fictional universe with no connections to the real world.
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 26, 2022 17:41:09 GMT -5
Sure, it was another Earth, Earth 1, Earth 2....just not our Earth.
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Post by MDG on Nov 26, 2022 17:45:56 GMT -5
In the spirit of that, I'm going to add a meaningless contribution to keep it going. Forget the "naming of locations", it's not just the literal map markers but what "happens" at those locations. The following scenes are based on the quest for a cannoli. I submit to you that DC could not pull off this level of "realism"...this is a New York minute if there ever was one: But alas, neither Ben nor Peter would be the "Victor" this day: Unfortunately, showing anyone-- even Doom-- using a fork to eat a cannoli proves it's not in any NYC on this Earth.
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Post by foxley on Nov 26, 2022 17:50:43 GMT -5
Sure, it was another Earth, Earth 1, Earth 2....just not our Earth. Earth-616, do you mean?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 18:06:28 GMT -5
In the spirit of that, I'm going to add a meaningless contribution to keep it going. Forget the "naming of locations", it's not just the literal map markers but what "happens" at those locations. The following scenes are based on the quest for a cannoli. I submit to you that DC could not pull off this level of "realism"...this is a New York minute if there ever was one: But alas, neither Ben nor Peter would be the "Victor" this day: Unfortunately, showing anyone-- even Doom-- using a fork to eat a cannoli proves it's not in any NYC on this Earth. Dang, you're right My Italian mother would slap my hand if I did something like that. I retract my argument. There is no realism in comics.
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 26, 2022 18:37:55 GMT -5
Sure, it was another Earth, Earth 1, Earth 2....just not our Earth. Earth-616, do you mean? First Earth 2, 1961. First mention Earth 616, 1983 in a British Comic by Alan Moore. Not adopted by Marvel until the 2000s. So you want to argue that the last few decades of Marvel have lost their real world connections, I believe I said that several pages ago. But since we are talking about the Silver Age, your point is specious.
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Post by foxley on Nov 26, 2022 19:20:02 GMT -5
First Earth 2, 1961. First mention Earth 616, 1983 in a British Comic by Alan Moore. Not adopted by Marvel until the 2000s. So you want to argue that the last few decades of Marvel have lost their real world connections, I believe I said that several pages ago. But since we are talking about the Silver Age, your point is specious. So Latveria, Wakanda, Rudyarda, Terra Verda, Santo Marco, Costa Verde, Delvadia, etc. were all countries in the real world during the 1960s?
Or does the real world stop at the NY city limits?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 19:29:29 GMT -5
First Earth 2, 1961. First mention Earth 616, 1983 in a British Comic by Alan Moore. Not adopted by Marvel until the 2000s. So you want to argue that the last few decades of Marvel have lost their real world connections, I believe I said that several pages ago. But since we are talking about the Silver Age, your point is specious. So Latveria, Wakanda, Rudyarda, Terra Verda, Santo Marco, Costa Verde, Delvadia, etc. were all countries in the real world during the 1960s? Or does the real world stop at the NY city limits?
For most New Yorkers, yes. That's part of their charm. -M
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 26, 2022 19:36:33 GMT -5
First Earth 2, 1961. First mention Earth 616, 1983 in a British Comic by Alan Moore. Not adopted by Marvel until the 2000s. So you want to argue that the last few decades of Marvel have lost their real world connections, I believe I said that several pages ago. But since we are talking about the Silver Age, your point is specious. So Latveria, Wakanda, Rudyarda, Terra Verda, Santo Marco, Costa Verde, Delvadia, etc. were all countries in the real world during the 1960s?
Or does the real world stop at the NY city limits?
Not stop, but... Hey foxley, I hope you know my tongue is firmly in my cheek in all of this.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 26, 2022 19:59:15 GMT -5
So Andorra and Luxemborg justify the existence of Latveria, but the existence of NYC can't justify the existence of Gotham City?
If you can't see the flaw in that argument, then I can't explain it to you.
If you can't see the flaw at equating two small countries on different continents with a major city in the US, where the other real major cities seem to be absent, I can't explain it to you.
I would hazard to guess that the vast majority of readers felt differently.
I’d hazard a guess your guess vastly overestimates this. Neither felt remotely more real to me at any point.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 20:22:54 GMT -5
So basically...some find it more realistic, others don't.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 20:26:53 GMT -5
Not stop, but... That's the map we used in school when I was a kid.
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