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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 3:21:42 GMT -5
The creator who posted the comment I quoted is known for being contradictory (e.g. he’ll complain about things others have done…which he himself did or does now), so I guess I shouldn’t expect logic from him.
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Post by MWGallaher on Nov 26, 2022 5:40:48 GMT -5
Once you imagine that Hal Jordan recites his ring-charging oath to the tune of "Sweet Hour of Prayer" it's hard to delete from your brain.
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 26, 2022 9:24:42 GMT -5
Sure foxely, but it was a recognizable world. It had the city and places we knew. There was long running confusion with DC fans as to where Metropolis and Gotham even were. Though there were a few made up countries, their locations were not a mystery and could be placed near certain countries. It was just a more relatable world that readers could imagine they lived in. I currently live near the neighborhood Peter Parker grew up in. I can drive by a row of houses and imagine that it was his, or the high school he went to. I know the Baxter Building isn't real, but I can tell you roughly where it was in NY. Anybody here grow up near Metropolis or know where Wayne Manor is? DC comics were just in a more fantastical world. Now there might be some who enjoyed that more, it is subjective. But the MU was more "real".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 11:06:33 GMT -5
Sure foxely, but it was a recognizable world. It had the city and places we knew. There was long running confusion with DC fans as to where Metropolis and Gotham even were. Though there were a few made up countries, their locations were not a mystery and could be placed near certain countries. It was just a more relatable world that readers could imagine they lived in. I currently live near the neighborhood Peter Parker grew up in. I can drive by a row of houses and imagine that it was his, or the high school he went to. I know the Baxter Building isn't real, but I can tell you roughly where it was in NY. Anybody here grow up near Metropolis or know where Wayne Manor is? DC comics were just in a more fantastical world. Now there might be some who enjoyed that more, it is subjective. But the MU was more "real". I posted something a bit similar then took it down, but I'll jump back in because I wonder how much being a New Yorker might also really reinforce this. I similarly used to live near the neighborhood where Peter grew up (the Douglaston neighborhood of Queens, about 20 minutes from Forest Hills). When I read Spider-Man, FF, etc., I could very much relate to the literal world I was growing up in. When Ben Grimm said he was watching the Jets or going to a game, it was no different from what we may have been doing as a family on a given day. Heck, even the hot dog carts seemed "more real" in those titles. I would also argue though that even beyond the locales/landmarks, Marvel reinforced this feeling for me with the characters. I REALLY saw myself in Peter/Spidey in a way that I could never relate to with a DC character, or the way the FF was a squabbling "real family" and didn't even have secret identities. I remember as a little kid, and of course it seems all silly now, actually thinking that I COULD be a superhero in NYC someday if maybe I had access to Reed Richards' or Tony Stark's tech, and I envisioned having a Baxter Building setup in Manhattan. I never had that same feeling with the DC world.
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 26, 2022 11:14:10 GMT -5
Good point supercat. We can cringe now at some of what Stan did with "real people with real problems" but they did feel like real people that we could relate to. This was not the case with DC heroes. Not that one is superior to the other, just a matter of preference in your comic book reading.
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Post by foxley on Nov 26, 2022 11:36:33 GMT -5
Sure foxely, but it was a recognizable world. It had the city and places we knew. There was long running confusion with DC fans as to where Metropolis and Gotham even were. Though there were a few made up countries, their locations were not a mystery and could be placed near certain countries. It was just a more relatable world that readers could imagine they lived in. I currently live near the neighborhood Peter Parker grew up in. I can drive by a row of houses and imagine that it was his, or the high school he went to. I know the Baxter Building isn't real, but I can tell you roughly where it was in NY. Anybody here grow up near Metropolis or know where Wayne Manor is? DC comics were just in a more fantastical world. Now there might be some who enjoyed that more, it is subjective. But the MU was more "real". Anyone here visited Wakanda? Or Latveria?
But I get it. 'Real world' equals America.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 26, 2022 11:41:01 GMT -5
Sure foxely, but it was a recognizable world. It had the city and places we knew. There was long running confusion with DC fans as to where Metropolis and Gotham even were. Though there were a few made up countries, their locations were not a mystery and could be placed near certain countries. It was just a more relatable world that readers could imagine they lived in. I currently live near the neighborhood Peter Parker grew up in. I can drive by a row of houses and imagine that it was his, or the high school he went to. I know the Baxter Building isn't real, but I can tell you roughly where it was in NY. Anybody here grow up near Metropolis or know where Wayne Manor is? DC comics were just in a more fantastical world. Now there might be some who enjoyed that more, it is subjective. But the MU was more "real". Anyone here visited Wakanda? Or Latveria?
But I get it. 'Real world' equals America. Eh, I pretty well feel the same way. As a kid in small-town Idaho Marvel’s New York City was barely more real than Gotham or Metropolis. I identified a lot more with Smallville than I did with New York.
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 26, 2022 12:01:35 GMT -5
Sure foxely, but it was a recognizable world. It had the city and places we knew. There was long running confusion with DC fans as to where Metropolis and Gotham even were. Though there were a few made up countries, their locations were not a mystery and could be placed near certain countries. It was just a more relatable world that readers could imagine they lived in. I currently live near the neighborhood Peter Parker grew up in. I can drive by a row of houses and imagine that it was his, or the high school he went to. I know the Baxter Building isn't real, but I can tell you roughly where it was in NY. Anybody here grow up near Metropolis or know where Wayne Manor is? DC comics were just in a more fantastical world. Now there might be some who enjoyed that more, it is subjective. But the MU was more "real". Anyone here visited Wakanda? Or Latveria?
But I get it. 'Real world' equals America. It's much easier to put a small country in the midst of East Europe or mid Africa than a large East coast city in the US, where most of the readers are.
Anyone visit Latvia or Moldova? If Andorra or Luxembourg can nestle in Europe, so can the city state of Latveria. And does it really bother you to have a small mid African country near Benin or Burkina Faso or Gabon. If that is all you got for Marvel being not any more real as DC, I don't think your argument is as good as you think it is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 12:03:31 GMT -5
Sure foxely, but it was a recognizable world. It had the city and places we knew. There was long running confusion with DC fans as to where Metropolis and Gotham even were. Though there were a few made up countries, their locations were not a mystery and could be placed near certain countries. It was just a more relatable world that readers could imagine they lived in. I currently live near the neighborhood Peter Parker grew up in. I can drive by a row of houses and imagine that it was his, or the high school he went to. I know the Baxter Building isn't real, but I can tell you roughly where it was in NY. Anybody here grow up near Metropolis or know where Wayne Manor is? DC comics were just in a more fantastical world. Now there might be some who enjoyed that more, it is subjective. But the MU was more "real". Anyone here visited Wakanda? Or Latveria?
But I get it. 'Real world' equals America. No, "real world" because the primary/centralized locale that was the jumping off point into other locales (some quite fantastic in nature like Asgard, Kree and Skrulls worlds, etc.) was New York. Peter was from Queens, later lived in the Chelsea area of Manhattan. Daredevil was from Hell's Kitchen. The Baxter Building and Avenger's Mansion are in Manhattan locations. Marvel and DC had their offices in NY, one used a more literal version of the actual city as the nexus for the "world" they created, one did not. Neither was an absolute...as you mentioned, Marvel quickly added fantasy locations like Wakanda and Latveria. Titans Tower ended up in NYC. All that said, I agree with kirby101, I don't think either is "superior" either, just different approaches that resonate in different ways with folks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 12:08:06 GMT -5
I'll also add that as someone who spent 4 years of college life in New Mexico, the Hulk comics often captured that setting PERFECTLY. I could totally have seen him bounding around out there (would not have been the first "strange thing" I saw during my time in that region).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 12:10:24 GMT -5
What about the Rutland (Vermont) Halloween parade references as well?!
Come on guys...Marvel absolutely leaned towards more real world settings, this isn't rocket science.
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 26, 2022 12:20:11 GMT -5
The Rutland parade was also in Batman #237, it was an unofficial DC/Marvel crossover, with creators from both companies appearing in both Batman and the Avengers.
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Post by foxley on Nov 26, 2022 12:28:46 GMT -5
Anyone here visited Wakanda? Or Latveria?
But I get it. 'Real world' equals America. It's much easier to put a small country in the midst of East Europe or mid Africa than a large East coast city in the US, where most of the readers are.
Anyone visit Latvia or Moldova? If Andorra or Luxembourg can nestle in Europe, so can the city state of Latveria. And does it really bother you to have a small mid African country near Benin or Burkina Faso or Gabon. If that is all you got for Marvel being not any more real as DC, I don't think your argument is as good as you think it is.
So Andorra and Luxemborg justify the existence of Latveria, but the existence of NYC can't justify the existence of Gotham City?
If you can't see the flaw in that argument, then I can't explain it to you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 12:38:17 GMT -5
The Rutland parade was also in Batman #237, it was an unofficial DC/Marvel crossover, with creators from both companies appearing in both Batman and the Avengers. Gotcha, ok, let me rephrase it then. Come on guys...Marvel and DC absolutely both used real world settings, this isn't rocket science! Haha...no idea where I'm going with this. But Marvel is more real.
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 26, 2022 15:24:52 GMT -5
That was a covert little crossover by Denny O'Neil at DC. The Silver Age DC did not try to place their stories in the real world. By the Bronze Age that started to change a little with the young bloods coming in.
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